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 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 3:31 AM   
 By:   Gunnar   (Member)

I think this score deserves a thread of its own. I received the original Silva release yesterday and listened to it once so far. I don't know the film, so I cannot comment on how it works as film music, but the album is a wonderful listen.
In the liner notes, Davis explains how music for silent films was often a combination of pre-existing and newly composed material, and how his score is a tribute to this. And I have to say, it works wonderfully with the inclusion of parts from Beethoven's "Eroica" symphony, and the thematic reworking of the Marseillaise in different spots throughout the film. (Although it makes me tend to whistle the Marseillaise for the rest of the day, which with France's present performance at the world cup is a bit ill-fitting...)
What do you think about this score? I would highly recommend it, there's only one minor issue with the Silva release (which I don't know if it has been remedied in the new release): On two tracks, the beginning is very abrupt, in one case it sounds even like there's half a measure missing. I don't mind particularly, just something that might drive some people crazy. And apart from that, the sound on this CD is wonderful, and the Wren Orchestra's performance sounds spotless to me. By the way, what happened to this orchestra? Does anybody know?
Looking forward to your opinions!

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

I think this score deserves a thread of its own. I received the original Silva release yesterday and listened to it once so far. I don't know the film, so I cannot comment on how it works as film music, but the album is a wonderful listen.
In the liner notes, Davis explains how music for silent films was often a combination of pre-existing and newly composed material, and how his score is a tribute to this. And I have to say, it works wonderfully with the inclusion of parts from Beethoven's "Eroica" symphony, and the thematic reworking of the Marseillaise in different spots throughout the film. (Although it makes me tend to whistle the Marseillaise for the rest of the day, which with France's present performance at the world cup is a bit ill-fitting...)
What do you think about this score? I would highly recommend it, there's only one minor issue with the Silva release (which I don't know if it has been remedied in the new release): On two tracks, the beginning is very abrupt, in one case it sounds even like there's half a measure missing. I don't mind particularly, just something that might drive some people crazy. And apart from that, the sound on this CD is wonderful, and the Wren Orchestra's performance sounds spotless to me. By the way, what happened to this orchestra? Does anybody know?
Looking forward to your opinions!




I actually liked the score alot. The main theme is great,a nd the score has many memorable bits. Most people don't like it because of the Beethoven references; as that is always brought up during discussions about it, but they of coarse failed to know the context surrounding why Davis used it. (Napoleon was a well known fan of Beethoven!) On my copy I never noticed that abrupt start as you mentioned, judging from the cover you posted I may have an even earlier pressing since mine does not have the Carl Davis logo at the top corner.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   Gunnar   (Member)

On my copy I never noticed that abrupt start as you mentioned, judging from the cover you posted I may have an even earlier pressing since mine does not have the Carl Davis logo at the top corner.

Interesting, perhaps I have to check it out on a different player... By the way, my copy also misses the logo at the top - I just took a cover image from the internet to differentiate between the "gold" and the "tricolore" covers.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   T.J. Turner   (Member)

Its a good while since I last listened to this score actually. They could be there, but I just don't remember.

Anyway..I would like to mention 4 other Carl Davis scores that are worth getting. Ben-Hur maybe his most popular is absolutely amazing. The other is Phantom of the Opera, which has some great gothic stuff mixed with some old fashioned action and romance.
Then theres..The Rainbow., its not a silent film though but is pretty good, another great main theme, and big dramatic moments. and the last one is The French Lieutenant's Woman, this has some beautiful stuff for violins.

All of these scores Davis scores as if he's living in the 1960s lol. They're all old fashioned film scoring.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I had this CD many years ago (way back in the 90's), but didn't like it very much, I remember. Here is an earlier thread (which I see was just ressurected):

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=7887&forumID=1&archive=1

In it, I say "I owned Davis' version for a while - on that Silva CD that Rochelle mentioned - but I traded it away. Regrets it somewhat today, but it was an overly bombastic score that one could easily tire of if one was not in the mood." So I guess that's it, then.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 2:36 PM   
 By:   Gunnar   (Member)

I would like to mention 4 other Carl Davis scores that are worth getting. Ben-Hur maybe his most popular is absolutely amazing. The other is Phantom of the Opera, which has some great gothic stuff mixed with some old fashioned action and romance.
Then theres..The Rainbow., its not a silent film though but is pretty good, another great main theme, and big dramatic moments. and the last one is The French Lieutenant's Woman, this has some beautiful stuff for violins.


Thanks for the suggestions! I own BEN-HUR and love it dearly, the chariot race has been my favourite action cue for months now! And the whole CD makes such a great listen. From the other films, PHANTOM sounds most interesting to me, and I will search for that soon.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   Gunnar   (Member)

"... but it was an overly bombastic score that one could easily tire of if one was not in the mood."

I see what you mean, but I personally could say that of every bombastic score when the mood isn't right.
And I have to say this: If a film asks for a bombastic score, then I'd take the wonderfully crafted bombast of NAPOLEON any day! I mean, this is really powerful stuff that at the same time is wonderfully complex and I'm sure I won't tire of that anytime soon. After all, with pieces of Beethoven interwoven, Davis really had to spruce up his orchestrations! And although there are not many truly quiet moments in this score, "Reunion in Corsica" is one that is absolutely beautiful in its gracefulness.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

May I say that "bombast" means "loud but meaningless," not simply loud and grandiose. A bombastic score is one that screams to impress, but is ultimately empty. I do not think this is the case with Davis's "Napoleon," though it is certainly loud.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 3:11 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

May I say that "bombast" means "loud but meaningless," not simply loud and grandiose. A bombastic score is one that screams to impress, but is ultimately empty.

Well, I think that's pretty much how I feel about it. The again, I'm pretty much tired of all loud, frenetic action scores these days (whether they qualify as "bombastic" or not).

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   Gunnar   (Member)

May I say that "bombast" means "loud but meaningless," not simply loud and grandiose. A bombastic score is one that screams to impress, but is ultimately empty. I do not think this is the case with Davis's "Napoleon," though it is certainly loud.

In that case, I won't use the term "bombast" any more in this context. It's similar with his score to BEN-HUR: Lots of action, yes, but all is so thoughtfully constructed around the themes and nicely layered that I would definitely not call it "empty".

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2010 - 5:55 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

I have Carmine Coppola's score to the same movie.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2010 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   Gunnar   (Member)

I have Carmine Coppola's score to the same movie.

How would you describe it? And do you also have Davis' score for comparison?

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2010 - 6:37 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

I have Carmine Coppola's score to the same movie.

How would you describe it? And do you also have Davis' score for comparison?


I don't have the Davis. It has been a while since I listened to the Coppola score. I will give it a fresh listen and post back.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2010 - 6:44 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I have all four scores to this film (the original Honegger, the Davis, the Coppola, and the Constant which also interpolates the Honegger). Coppola's is by far the most basic, with a fairly standard and not so inspired march theme. The love theme is quite syrupy, and the whole thing sounds more old fashioned than the Honegger score written more than five decades earlier! It never much impressed me on album, though years and years ago I saw it performed live to the film at Radio City Music Hall, and I have to admit it was exciting to see this way.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 29, 2016 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   Angelillo   (Member)

The Brit loves Napoleon !

http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/announcements/abel-gances-napoleon-get-uk-wide-theatrical-dvd-release

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2017 - 5:23 AM   
 By:   GreatGonzo   (Member)

Are people aware that there is a double cd recording of this from 2016? Comes in a huge slipcase with booklet. If we all buy it, maybe we'll get the music from HOLLYWOOD next...

https://www.amazon.com/Abel-Gance-Napoleon-Philharmonia-Orchestra/dp/B01LYYWGHM/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1488025220&sr=8-6

 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2017 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   Essankay   (Member)

Are people aware that there is a double cd recording of this from 2016? Comes in a huge slipcase with booklet. If we all buy it, maybe we'll get the music from HOLLYWOOD next...

https://www.amazon.com/Abel-Gance-Napoleon-Philharmonia-Orchestra/dp/B01LYYWGHM/ref=tmm_acd_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=1488025220&sr=8-6



How did I miss this? Thanks for the tip, GreatGonzo! (Even though I shouldn't be triple-dippping on this score.)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2017 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   bobbengan   (Member)

Man, Davis really is great. This, Hollywood, Champions (will someone PLEASE release this one expanded/complete?) and a few others I've heard from him (including some wonderful music from that Fire & Ice ballet) are all just marvels. This man really knows what he's doing. Another brilliant unheralded British master alongside John Scott, Christopher Gunning, Michael J. Lewis, Colin Towns, Richard Harvey and a few others who have never been given proper due (okay, so Davis is technically a US-born composer, but his entire music career has been London-centric).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 25, 2017 - 5:54 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Well, he carved out a pretty good niche scoring silent films, as well as doing ballets or other stuff.

 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2017 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   GreatGonzo   (Member)


How did I miss this? Thanks for the tip, GreatGonzo!


Easy to miss, I only stumbled upon it by accident when I was looking for the Brownlow book about the restoration. Can't say I have seen this advertised anywhere.

 
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