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 Posted:   Aug 6, 2010 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)



The original Varese Spartacus thread has topped 1000 replies and has veered off on so many tangents since its creation that I thought it might be a good idea to start another thread for those who have the set to share their thoughts on what they've seen and heard. These observations may be helpful for those who are trying to decide whether or not to buy the set.

There is really no need for anyone to come in here to complain about the cost, what it should have been or shouldn't have been, etc. The other thread has been a good place for that so it's probably a good place to keep it. This is not intended however as a love fest thread, but rather a place for those who have actually listened to the contents, read the book and watched the video to share their impressions and criticisms, both positive and negative.

I just received my set and haven't had a chance to listen to any of it yet, but I'll be devouring the contents over the next couple of weeks as a labor of love for this superb, groundbreaking release and will post my thoughts in this thread as I go.

The floor is open for discussion ladies and gentlemen!

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2010 - 4:07 PM   
 By:   msmith   (Member)

Before Alex North died, Bob Townson said he made him a promise to give Spartacus a proper release.
He most certainly made that promise. The box set is immaculate.

Thank you Robert Townson. I'm sure Alex North would be most proud.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2010 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

I've been waiting for this release all of my life, and while the lack of stereophonic sources is lamentable, the monaural sound is crisp and clear and in choosing which presentation to listen to, the choice is clear. The complete score presentation on discs two and three flows beautifully, there is no need for abridgment here.

Chief among the restored material is the flip side of the theme for the slaves; the original LP only had the theme in it's 'freedom' setting, such as "Blue Mountains and Purple Hills," while here we hear the 'slavery' rendition in the Libyan mines sequence, the prelude to the gladiator fight and the crucifixions at the finale. This version of the theme is more pervasive in the film, but the less dramatic and more pleasant 'freedom' arrangements were what was thought would sell more records. Similarly, the strident, relentless brass and percussion themes for Crassus are completely missing from the original album save for a few hints in the main title. This angry and mechanical piece serves as a counterpoint to the more hopeful theme for Spartacus himself, itself given many more variations that round out the presentation. There is no question that the score works better in complete format rather than any truncation.

I was actually quite surprised at how much I enjoyed the Spartacus: Love Theme and Variations album. I didn't find it at all repetitive with such a vast range of arrangements and performances. I've already listened to it twice through.


My full comments:
http://swashbuckler332.livejournal.com/714310.html

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2010 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   Miguel Rojo   (Member)

You know, I was thinking, its just what we need on here - another Spartacus thread! Ha ha.

I couldn't for the life of me think how I could crowbar in another one, but Mark beat me to it. Pushing the envelope a little, but good enough.

I'll have to now think of tomorrow's new one...!!!! Damn.

Anyone got any tenuous but good ideas that would hold water?
How about the Spartacus thread for people who are still thinking of getting it?

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2010 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   Jeff Bond   (Member)

I'm finally getting to listen to the second half of the mono score and just realizing that this is the first presentation (unmentionables included) to include the pastoral reading of the slave theme that plays over Tony Curtis's "Blue mountains and purple hills" poem. It seems Bob Townson chose not to cut some of the cues together that butt up against each other in the film, like the drunken Glabrus march that segues into the Vesuvius training sequence. I would rather have that than something like the Rhino Ben-Hur set where the long cues are indexed so in iTunes they get cut up into segments that begin and end horribly abruptly. Sounds a lot better on my home stereo than my car stereo--who'd have thunk it...

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2010 - 6:48 PM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

While I never really cherished the film, the score was what really stuck with me after all these years. While I was hesitant to own this set, not anymore. There is so much care, so much love that was put into this single release that I just had find out just how important not only the music was, but also who Alex North was and how he's been such an influence to so many of my favorite composers.

No expense was spared making this beautiful release. My hats off to Varése Sarabande.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2010 - 8:12 PM   
 By:   drivingmissdaisy   (Member)

I just love track 18 disc 1, just gorgeous it truly is!

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2010 - 8:18 PM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

I have one and only one complaint and that not to say that I'm anything less than thrilled by this historic release.

The interview DVD is unwatchable.

Robert Townson may be great at many thing but he he's no filmmaker.

How anyone can take Alex North as a subject and make a boring program is a mystery.

Sorry Robert, stick to music.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2010 - 11:53 PM   
 By:   Ed Nassour   (Member)



Here's a few who bought the set showing their number of this limited edition.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2010 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   moviejoemovies   (Member)



Here's a few who bought the set showing their number of this limited edition.



LOL!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2010 - 7:43 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I'm thrilled with this set. The complete presentation on Discs 2 and 3 is a revelation. It holds together so well as a listening experience. After a few tracks I forgot about it being in mono.

The love theme discs are great too. It's fascinating to listen to how the various artists approached the music.

I thought the DVD was interesting. I liked hearing the other composers' opinions and analyses of the score. During one segment John Williams laments that much of Alex North's music is unperformable by a standard symphony orchestra. Williams asked North many times to reorchestrate parts of Spartacus so that he could conduct it during his film-music concerts, or for the Boston Pops, but to no avail. Another interesting segment is David Newman recalling a film-music concert during which he conducted the Spartacus main title. Newman managed to assemble an orchestra with all the special players North's score required. North was present at the concert, and received a long ovation after the piece was played.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2010 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   ANHaupt1337   (Member)



Here's a few who bought the set showing their number of this limited edition.



LOL!


Hey, 143! Move your right hand over a couple of inches. And @!&!--somebody get rid of those contrails!

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2010 - 8:24 AM   
 By:   Bill Carson, Earl of Poncey   (Member)

"alright, which one of you forgot to take off their watch???"

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2010 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Joe Brausam   (Member)

The preliminary Desolation Elegy is incredibly eerie...

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2010 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   Eric A.   (Member)

The preliminary Desolation Elegy is incredibly eerie...
It's also the only chance we get to actually hear the beautiful melodic line and lyrics. Too bad that only the orchestra track survived. The liner notes seem to imply that the distant sound of the singer is intentional, but it's hard to believe since this is obviously one of many homages the score pays to Prokofiev's Alexander Nevski. Too bad Townson didn't attempt to re-record at least the vocal part - if only to present it as a bonus track.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2010 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)

I'm finally getting to listen to the second half of the mono score and just realizing that this is the first presentation (unmentionables included) to include the pastoral reading of the slave theme that plays over Tony Curtis's "Blue mountains and purple hills" poem.



I think there was a release on at least one [censored] that had that cue. It's a piece played twice in the movie under different orchestrations, the other version appearing on the RCA release. I thought it was 'purple woods' though?

I don't think Varese (mind you I haven't bought it yet, so I shouldn't even be here...) could have done better than they did, from what I can see and hear so far.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2010 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

I'm finally getting to listen to the second half of the mono score and just realizing that this is the first presentation (unmentionables included) to include the pastoral reading of the slave theme that plays over Tony Curtis's "Blue mountains and purple hills" poem.

I think there was a release on at least one [censored] that had that cue. It's a piece played twice in the movie under different orchestrations, the other version appearing on the RCA release. I thought it was 'purple woods' though?


"Poem" was previously available. "Blue mountains and purple hills" is the LP title, "Blue mountains and purple woods" is North's cue title for the theme, based on Dalton Trumbo's poem:

BLUE SHADOWS AND PURPLE WOODS
by Dalton Trumbo

When the blazing sun hangs low in the western sky,
When the wind dies away on the mountain,
When the song of the meadowlark turns still,
When the field locust clicks no more in the field,
And the sea foam sleeps like a maiden at rest,
And the twilight touches the shape of the wondering earth,
I turn home.
Through blue shadows and purple woods…
I turn home.
I turn to the place that I was born,
To the mother who bore me
and the father who taught me…
Long ago, long ago, long ago.
Alone am I now, lost and alone
In a far, wide, wondering world.
Through blue and purple shadowed woods I go,
Bewitched by the distant bellowing of cows
And the smell of pine smoke and a far-away light
And the voices of kinfolk together at night.

Tony Curtis did not recite the last 6 lines of the poem, to Trumbo's dismay.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2010 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   George Komar   (Member)

The preliminary Desolation Elegy is incredibly eerie...
It's also the only chance we get to actually hear the beautiful melodic line and lyrics. Too bad that only the orchestra track survived. The liner notes seem to imply that the distant sound of the singer is intentional, but it's hard to believe since this is obviously one of many homages the score pays to Prokofiev's Alexander Nevski. Too bad Townson didn't attempt to re-record at least the vocal part - if only to present it as a bonus track.


Cue #63, Reel 24C/25A, titled “Fear Of Death,” replaced the unused lullaby “Desolation/Elegy” with the prominent vocal when the battle aftermath scene was shortened.

A revision of “Desolation/Elegy” with a less prominent vocal (this is probably the one on the new CD set -- I'm expecting my copy any day) was also considered but does not appear on the final cue sheet.

In the restored version of the film, the Universal sound department made a long cross-fade between the revised version of “Desolation/Elegy” and "Fear of Death."

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2010 - 10:32 AM   
 By:   Ed Nassour   (Member)

The preliminary Desolation Elegy is incredibly eerie...
It's also the only chance we get to actually hear the beautiful melodic line and lyrics. Too bad that only the orchestra track survived. The liner notes seem to imply that the distant sound of the singer is intentional, but it's hard to believe since this is obviously one of many homages the score pays to Prokofiev's Alexander Nevski. Too bad Townson didn't attempt to re-record at least the vocal part - if only to present it as a bonus track.


No it's not supposed to be that distant. You can hear them on the DVD. I suspect they recorded the singers at the same time they did the orchestra. Only they isolated them sending it to an dedicated channel. When the mono dub was made, they forgot to carry it over. I had the same problem at Universal back in the mid-1970s when an editor of a TV series wanted to use the main title cue from "Spartacus." I believe I mentioned this before on the other thread. The transfer guy failed to carry over all three channels to mono so all we heard on the single stripe dub was the brass with some percussion. I had to get the transfer remade. The next time I stood there while he did it.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2010 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   Eric A.   (Member)


In the restored version of the film, the Universal sound department made a long cross-fade between the revised version of “Desolation/Elegy” and "Fear of Death."

I listened to this section on the new blu-ray and found it particularly akward - but since the restored edition matches neither the original version nor the rescore, I guess they had little choice. The recording of the elegy used in the film doesn't feature a more prominent vocal and probably comes from the same source as the Varese cd (as well as every other expanded Spartacus). This fact alone should put to rest the legends about surviving masters we have been reading for some time.

 
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