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 Posted:   Aug 27, 2010 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

OK, so after a small hiatus, I'm back exploring Jack Nicholson's early films. This 1965 western, directed my Monte Hellman, but written and produced by Nicholson himself, was....how shall I put it, interesting. smile

It's a simple enough story - three cowboys get mixed up with a gang of thugs and are then being chased like criminals by local vigilantes. Jack plays one of the cowboys. What immediately struck me, however, was the lingo that was used....much of it was practically unintelligable due to various cowboys terms and phrases that I've never heard before. Seems to me that Jack had been studying the lingo at the time when he wrote the story.

However, the delivery of the dialogue is often a bit stale, even by Nicholson and Cameron Mitchell, who plays one of the other cowboys on the run. Fun cameo by Harry Dean-Stanton, though, as leader of the thugs with a patch over his eye like a pirate!

Drasnin's score is mostly in the rather modernistic Jerry Fielding mode. Except the opening, which is more standard Western fare, albeit slightly "off". I took particularly notice of the scene when Jack & Cameron is being chased by the vigilantes on horse towards the end. There's no upbeat, heroic western music here. Only a steady timpani beat with some somber, low strings on top - as if to signal that things MAY not turn out a-OK for everyone (I'm not giving away more).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2010 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Drasnin is a very talented composer. May I suggest both of his "Voodoo" albums.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2010 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Drasnin is a very talented composer. May I suggest both of his "Voodoo" albums.

What's that? Exotica?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2010 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Yes. The first one from 1959 is one of the very best in the genre.

The sequel was recorded and released in 2006!

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2010 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   RcM   (Member)

Drasnin is a very talented composer. May I suggest both of his "Voodoo" albums.

What's that? Exotica?


Drasnin was my composition instructor at UCLA for a few classes - and I can say he is not only a talented composer but a great teacher. I remember him mentioning that John Williams was the pianist on the first Voodoo album. (Yes, it's exotica, BTW.) Also, that first Voodoo album seems to use an LP as its source - but there was another CD of the same material called "Exotic Excursion" that uses the master tapes, but is missing a couple of tracks. When a few of the students were talking with Mr. Drasnin about the album before class he explained what happened there - but I don't recall the details. I think it had something to do with the label that possessed the masters limiting the number of tracks on their CD to 12 (Why? I don't know.)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2010 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

When a few of the students were talking with Mr. Drasnin about the album before class he explained what happened there - but I don't recall the details. I think it had something to do with the label that possessed the masters limiting the number of tracks on their CD to 12 (Why? I don't know.)

It's an old routine for budget labels to save a few pennies on publishing by deleting a track or two on reissues. "Exotic Excursion" does sound good, but you really need all 12 tracks. Dionysus Records is a great label, and they used a sealed stereo LP for the mastering.

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2010 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Love it!
Far superior to the more critically lauded, overrated THE SHOOTING.
do not remember the score
check it out!

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2010 - 2:55 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Love it!
Far superior to the more critically lauded, overrated THE SHOOTING.
do not remember the score
check it out!


THE SHOOTING is one of the films I will be seeing soon. I'll create a thread for it then.

But yes, it's pretty clear WHIRLWIND had ambitions - it has some definite European art film elements here and there.

 
 Posted:   Aug 27, 2010 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Love it!
Far superior to the more critically lauded, overrated THE SHOOTING.
do not remember the score
check it out!


But yes, it's pretty clear WHIRLWIND had ambitions - it has some definite European art film elements here and there.


very existential
smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2010 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   RR Aitken   (Member)

I felt honored to have had the pleasure of exchanging a few e-mails with Mr. Drasnin earlier this past year. I am a big fan of his work on The Man From UNCLE. I would love it if Lukas/FSM or perhaps another label could put out any previously unreleased Robert Drasnin score or a collection devoted to his compositions. I finally got around to buying a dvd of Murder Once Removed which he scored and I'm looking forward to watching and hearing it.
When I can find a dvd of THE SHOOTING I’ll buy it as well.

So I say to anyone who cares to hear it, when ever it is possible to do so - please release some Robert Drasnin, he deserves more appreciation and attention beyond his Voodoo releases (which I own)- I really love his work.

One of my all time favorite cues that I found myself playing inside my head as a child when I was out playing UNCLE was the "Just a Thrush Net" part of the Dippy Blonde Affair from the first of the FSM Man From UNCLE collections. When the show originally aired, I didn't know the names of the cues, I just knew that I loved the show, the concept, Solo and Kuryakin, the beautiful girls, the wild plots and the absolutely incredible music. The four volumes of UNCLE music to me are musical gold. I'm biased but the show was a BIG part of my life.

In the last ten years of so, my holy grail of "favorite scores that need to be released" list became lighter after Donaggio's Blow Out and the FSM Man From UNCLE collections were released. If I live to see the cd releases of the original scores to Mannix, Hawaii Five-0, Mission Impossible and The Wild Wild West, I will reach a pop culture musical nirvana, a natural high that I will never forget. I will die a happy man - but like the film title that starred the fabulous, beautiful brunette Susan Hayward, let me say this:
I WANT TO LIVE!
Now that’s what I’m talkin’ about!
TV Omnibus arrived today and I know I will be fun.

Okay - back to Earth. Thanks for listening.

(By the way, is it okay to love films, film music and comedy this much? I hope so!
It's legal and oh so good for you.)

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 28, 2010 - 4:45 PM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

I would be interested in hearing a CD of Drasnin's scores for both films, RIDE IN THE WHIRLWIND and THE SHOOTING.

Everybody, try to get the out-of-print VCI editions of RIDE IN THE WHIRLWIND and THE SHOOTING. These are the authorized editions, restored to optimal quality and with commentaries by the director. None of the public domain editions can hold a candle to the VCI.

These are two of my favorite westerns of the 1960s and I believe two of best westerns of that decade. I like the literacy and raw spare minimalism of Monte Hellman's films. They were shot back-to-back in Utah in early 1965. They had twelve days apiece for principle photography on budgets of $75,000 each. Nicholson wrote RIDE IN THE WHIRLWIND after reading some historical accounts -- it was either The Banditti of the Prairie by Bonney or The Vigilantes of Montana by Dimsdale -- and his friend Carol Eastman came up with THE SHOOTING (she would later write FIVE EASY PIECES for Nicholson). Two very different approaches on the page, miniscule budgets, and yet the quality is extremely high. Everybody involved knew each other from drama workshops in L.A., so they were a tight ensemble before they persuaded Roger Corman to spend the money.

Hellman says both films are owned by Criterion now. Who knows when they will re-release them.

Richard

 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2010 - 4:40 AM   
 By:   RR Aitken   (Member)

I just went back to double check the composer info for the dvds we are discussing and
IMDB says Richard Markowitz wrote the score for The Shooting. The short list of dvd titles that might be available that were scored by Mr. Drasnin (which he had mentioned to me in an e-mail) are dvds of:
Ride in the Whirlwind, Murder Once Removed and A Tattered Web.
So I have one of the three and two to go. Thanks - Randy

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2010 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I would be interested in hearing a CD of Drasnin's scores for both films, RIDE IN THE WHIRLWIND and THE SHOOTING.

Actually, THE SHOOTING was composed by Richard Markowitz, not Robert Drasnin, as RR Aitken says above. If you guys can just hold your thoughts on that a bit more, I'll create a separate thread for it shortly.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 29, 2010 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   Melchior   (Member)

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