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 Posted:   Nov 14, 2010 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   EB Bobban   (Member)

Ok, so we discussed what the deal was with the music in John Carpenter’s The Thing (1982) in this thread:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=72843&forumID=1&archive=0

I can become somewhat obsessive about these things, especially with personal favourites like The Thing… So I have done a thorough analysis of the score and wanted to share it with you guys. Since this is going to be a really big post, I feel that it’s easier if I just start a new thread instead of this being buried somewhere in the other one. Plus I can always go back and edit this first post if we find additional information wink

Well, the question was how much of the music in the film is Morricone’s work and how much of it was scored by Carpenter and Howarth in the post-production?
Here is once again a little background on the process of scoring the film taken from an article in Fangoria #135, August 1994 (page 24-25):

"Carpenter flew to Rome and showed me his film," Morricone says. "He was very insistent, and I liked his movie, so I decided to do it. The thing is, though, we barely talked about what he had in mind. When I went to Los Angeles to record the score, I brought a tape along that contained some synthesizer music I had recorded here in italy. It was really difficult for me to understand what kind of score he wanted, so I composed an array of totally different things, hoping he would find something of particular interest to him. Now, I have been in this business for 30 years and I think I know what my clients want, and guess what? He picked the piece that mostly resembled his own personal compositions. That is of course the main theme, which can be heard throughout the movie."
Confirmation of this claim comes on the film's soundtrack, which contains a great deal of music which never made it into the film. The main theme is virtually the sole composition heard during the film, and collectors consider the album a rather peculiar one as a result. "I wrote an hour of music for The Thing, and I just can't believe the way it was ignored," he frowns. "So when they asked me what to put on the album, I recovered all the stuff we had previously recorded. You can't sell a soundtrack album with one theme only; it's like cheating your potential buyers!"


I just watched the film again and spent (some people would say wasted xD) some time taking notes of the musical cues. I then cross-referenced the cues with Morricone’s music on the Varese album and came up with a list of what music was used in the film. To summarize, out of the 10 tracks on the Varese album only 5 were used in the final film: Humanity (Part I), Solitude, Wait, Humanity (Part II) and Despair. That is not to say that the 5 tracks were used in their entirety – in many cases only short parts were chopped up and spliced in as cues. I think I can hear an element from Contamination as well, although we are talking a few seconds here and it’s mixed together with a bass synthesizer, so I’m not entirely sure…

As for the cues I found that could not be identified as music on Morricone’s varese disc, they are distinctly different from the others. You can clearly hear that they are done with a synthesizer and they definitely sound like work in the style of Carpenter and Howarth. Added up, there is approximately 10-12 minutes of synthesizer music in the film.

In my next post is the list that I came up with. I was watching the European PAL dvd, but I’ll post times that correspond to American NTSC and Bluray as well, so you can check it out.
First I’ve written what time in the film the music is heard. Then what track on the album it corresponds to (and if possible what part of the track it is taken from). And finally, in [], which scene we are talking about.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2010 - 11:08 AM   
 By:   EB Bobban   (Member)

European DVD (PAL)

00.00-01.00: Unknown synthesizer [Main Titles & spaceship]
01.22-04.22: Humanity (Part II) [dog chase over snow]
13.57-14.47: Humanity (Part II) [helicopter takes off]
16.11-18.47: Humanity (Part I) [arrival at Norwegian camp]
18.50-20.12: Solitude (03.33 onwards) [finding the dead body]
20.55-22.22: Wait (0.48 onwards) [finding the ice block and the burned remains]
23.04-23.30: Solitude (04.03 onwards) [inspecting the burned remains]
23.36-24.30: Wait (02.52 onwards) [inspecting the burned remains cont]
25.05-25.56: Unknown synthesizer [dissecting burned remains]
28.53-29.23: Unknown synthesizer [Clark investigates the dogs]
30.00-30.45: Unknown synthesizer [The group sees the Dog-Thing]
32.00-33.26: Despair (03.00 onwards) [fire extinguished & dog dissected]
36.05-39.00: Despair [finding the spaceship in the ice]
40.26-43.10: Humanity (Part I) [computer simulation & moving the bodies]
44.02-47.03: Unknown synthesizer, different cues [dead body stirs / talk in the Thiokol / Windows finds Bennings / burning Bennings]
47.28-48.58: Wait (0.48 onwards) [burning the remains]
62.38-64.38: Unknown synthesizer [MacReady’s tape record / Fuchs finds MacReady’s jacket]
67:48-70.30: Unknown synthesizer [lights on in MacReady’s shack / Nauls returns]
86.14-88.53: Humanity (Part II) [power off in the camp / a new plan]
92.15-92.32: Unknown synthesizer [Blair attacks Garry]
93.56-94.54: Unknown synthesizer (mixed with strings from Contamination?) [Blair monster reveals itself]
95.30-97.30: Humanity (Part I) [MacReady meets Childs in the burning camp]
97.38-103.50: Humanity (Part II) [end titles]

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2010 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   EB Bobban   (Member)

American DVD (NTSC)

00.00-01.03: Unknown synthesizer [Main Titles & spaceship]
01.26-04.33: Humanity (Part II) [dog chase over snow]
14.33-15.25: Humanity (Part II) [helicopter takes off]
16.52-19.35: Humanity (Part I) [arrival at Norwegian camp]
19.38-21.04: Solitude (03.33 onwards) [finding the dead body]
21.49-23.19: Wait (0.48 onwards) [finding the ice block and the burned remains]
24.03-24.30: Solitude (04.03 onwards) [inspecting the burned remains]
24.36-25.33: Wait (02.52 onwards) [inspecting the burned remains cont]
26.09-27.02: Unknown synthesizer [dissecting burned remains]
30.07-30.38: Unknown synthesizer [Clark investigates the dogs]
31.17-32.04: Unknown synthesizer [The group sees the Dog-Thing]
33.22-34.52: Despair (03.00 onwards) [fire extinguished & dog dissected]
37.37-40.40: Despair [finding the spaceship in the ice]
42.10-45.01: Humanity (Part I) [computer simulation & moving the bodies]
45.55-49.04: Unknown synthesizer, different cues [dead body stirs / talk in the Thiokol / Windows finds Bennings / burning Bennings]
49.30-51.03: Wait (0.48 onwards) [burning the remains]
65.19-67.24: Unknown synthesizer [MacReady’s tape record / Fuchs finds MacReady’s jacket]
70:42-73.31: Unknown synthesizer [lights on in MacReady’s shack / Nauls returns]
89.55-92.41: Humanity (Part II) [power off in the camp / a new plan]
96.11-96.29: Unknown synthesizer [Blair attacks Garry]
97.57-98.57: Unknown synthesizer (mixed with strings from Contamination?) [Blair monster reveals itself]
99.35-101.40: Humanity (Part I) [MacReady meets Childs in the burning camp]
101.48-108.16: Humanity (Part II) [end titles]

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2010 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   EB Bobban   (Member)

Bluray (24p)

00.00-01.03: Unknown synthesizer [Main Titles & spaceship]
01.26-04.33: Humanity (Part II) [dog chase over snow]
14.32-15.24: Humanity (Part II) [helicopter takes off]
16.51-19.34: Humanity (Part I) [arrival at Norwegian camp]
19.37-21.03: Solitude (03.33 onwards) [finding the dead body]
21.48-23.18: Wait (0.48 onwards) [finding the ice block and the burned remains]
24.02-24.29: Solitude (04.03 onwards) [inspecting the burned remains]
24.35-25.31: Wait (02.52 onwards) [inspecting the burned remains cont]
26.07-27.00: Unknown synthesizer [dissecting burned remains]
30.05-30.36: Unknown synthesizer [Clark investigates the dogs]
31.15-32.02: Unknown synthesizer [The group sees the Dog-Thing]
33.20-34.50: Despair (03.00 onwards) [fire extinguished & dog dissected]
37.35-40.38: Despair [finding the spaceship in the ice]
42.07-44.58: Humanity (Part I) [computer simulation & moving the bodies]
45.52-49.01: Unknown synthesizer, different cues [dead body stirs / talk in the Thiokol / Windows finds Bennings / burning Bennings]
49.27-51.00: Wait (0.48 onwards) [burning the remains]
65.15-67.20: Unknown synthesizer [MacReady’s tape record / Fuchs finds MacReady’s jacket]
70:38-73.27: Unknown synthesizer [lights on in MacReady’s shack / Nauls returns]
89.50-92.35: Humanity (Part II) [power off in the camp / a new plan]
96.05-96.23: Unknown synthesizer [Blair attacks Garry]
97.51-98.51: Unknown synthesizer (mixed with strings from Contamination?) [Blair monster reveals itself]
99.29-101.34: Humanity (Part I) [MacReady meets Childs in the burning camp]
101.42-108.10: Humanity (Part II) [end titles]

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2010 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Perhaps BSX can release the Carpenter/Howarth synth cues paired with another Alan Howarth release?

Thanks for the elaborate analysis!

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2010 - 11:48 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Confirmation of this claim comes on the film's soundtrack, which contains a great deal of music which never made it into the film.

???? How can music be on the soundtrack and not in the film?????

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2010 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Confirmation of this claim comes on the film's soundtrack, which contains a great deal of music which never made it into the film.

???? How can music be on the soundtrack and not in the film?????


I think he's talking about the soundtrack release by Varese which contained music by Morricone that didn't make it into the movie.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2010 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Guys, it's this simple:

Morricone wrote all the orchestral stuff and the main "heartbeat theme"

All the brief, synth cues that sound like Carpenter/ Howarth are by Carpenter/Howarth.

What's the big mystery?

The Carpenter/Howarth stuff amounts to less than 10 minutes, so it would have to be paired with something else to pad out the disc. If Howarth still has the masters, I'm sure we will see an album from his label (or BSX) somewhere down the road.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2010 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Odlicno   (Member)

I really love the Carpenter/Howarth bits in this (if that's who they're by), particularly the bit when Bennings gets set afire.

(For some reason it makes me think of a cathedral.)

If they were ever tacked on as extras to any score i'd buy it!

Still need to know what the music is in The Thing trailer though. No one has a fish.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2010 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Nice Guesswork..

HOWEVER,

Has anyone looked at the film's cuesheet to see who is credited for what cues?

That should settle a number of issues.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2010 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

Ford, you seem to be the right guy for such a job? Surely you must have access?

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2010 - 7:55 PM   
 By:   EB Bobban   (Member)

Nice Guesswork..

HOWEVER,

Has anyone looked at the film's cuesheet to see who is credited for what cues?

That should settle a number of issues.


Ford A. Thaxton


Well, no, I don't have access to that... If I did I wouldn't have gone through all that work big grin

Nonetheless, if someone could have a look it would definately be intersting to know for sure.

???? How can music be on the soundtrack and not in the film?????

Well, as he says in the interview, Morricone scored about an hour of music for the film. Carpenter then evidently only chose to use about half of those cues in the film. And Morricone felt that he needed to flesh out the soundtrack album so he added all his original music on that release.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2010 - 5:55 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

EB - speaking as a huge fan of Morricone, a significantly-sized fan of The Thing and a reasonably-sized fan of John Carpenter, I wanted to acknowledge the work you've gone into to arrive at your listings. It would be no hardship to watch The Thing three times with a stopwatch and a notepad, but even so, anyone who respects the film and the score sufficiently to actually do it is ok in my book.

TG

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2010 - 11:47 AM   
 By:   EB Bobban   (Member)

EB - speaking as a huge fan of Morricone, a significantly-sized fan of The Thing and a reasonably-sized fan of John Carpenter, I wanted to acknowledge the work you've gone into to arrive at your listings. It would be no hardship to watch The Thing three times with a stopwatch and a notepad, but even so, anyone who respects the film and the score sufficiently to actually do it is ok in my book.

TG


Ah, look at what you did now... making a grown man blush big grin

Seriously, thanks man! Makes me feel like I didn't waste those hours. But I have to admit, I didn't watch it three times. I just watched my PAL DVD and then converted the noted times on that list into NTSC and Bluray using this handy tool:

http://www.paradiso-design.net/index_en.html

 
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