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Mar 29, 2014 - 11:31 AM
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spielboy
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is this a non-film score discussion?
There are some nice sequences in Temple, but it is too dark, even Spielberg says so. The effects do not really hold up, the roller coaster mine car, previously impressive, looks obviously fake green screened now. It is right before Crystal Skull as the weakest picture, granted there are some nice bits in there, but Kate Capshaw screaming, child slavery, human sacrifice - nah. I would watch Indy 1 or Last Crusade any day over Temple, and so would Steven Spielberg.
LAST CRUSADE green-screens are worse.
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Put me down in the "Love this Movie" column; the score is my favorite Williams
Loved it at the press screen I got a ticket to in '84, fell into the "Spielberg disowned it" camp, the. Watched it again on home vid & was back in the "love it" camp.
IF Lucas was to do a re-edit, I would cut the whipping sequence, & go from Indy spitting out the potion & Olram saying, " You don't do that!" To big guy punching airy & forcing the potion down - the whipping takes the story a tad too dark, and it's a tad hard to bounce back to fun, fun, fun! That is the only thing I would change, & I think more would enjoy the ride that way.
I hope for a complete release of this score someday - 'till then, I play the DVD score rip, and the Concord from time to time.
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The green screen work in Last Crusade is better than Doom, about 6 years between them I think. In any case, I will take Connery and Ford in the two noticeable green screens in Last Crusade, in the bi-plane, and in the dirigible, over Ford and Capshaw (screaming) in front of a green screen any day.
right on!
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Mar 29, 2014 - 9:33 PM
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Joe E.
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Goodness, how did I miss this?
I love Indiana Jones in general, and I love Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I do find it interesting when held against the others - this movie, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade are often referred to as the classic or original "trilogy" of Indy movies, but they aren't exactly a trilogy; indeed, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull are arguably more of an actual trilogy, while this one stands more apart as its own adventure. It has a number of deviations from certain narrative and thematic details common to each of the other three.
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Mar 30, 2014 - 8:41 AM
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Solium
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Goodness, how did I miss this?
I love Indiana Jones in general, and I love Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I do find it interesting when held against the others - this movie, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade are often referred to as the classic or original "trilogy" of Indy movies, but they aren't exactly a trilogy; indeed, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull are arguably more of an actual trilogy, while this one stands more apart as its own adventure. It has a number of deviations from certain narrative and thematic details common to each of the other three.
Well it was the prequel to Raiders of the Lost Ark. Granted there was no story arc (no pun intended) between the two. So yes it is part of the original trilogy.
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Mar 30, 2014 - 9:15 AM
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nerfTractor
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There are some nice sequences in Temple, but it is too dark, even Spielberg says so. The effects do not really hold up, the roller coaster mine car, previously impressive, looks obviously fake green screened now. It is right before Crystal Skull as the weakest picture, granted there are some nice bits in there, but Kate Capshaw screaming, child slavery, human sacrifice - nah. I would watch Indy 1 or Last Crusade any day over Temple, and so would Steven Spielberg.
I'm just not certain Spielberg is the best judge of his own material any more. He's always had difficulties with finding the right tone for his subject matter and there are simply times where you end up scratching your head wondering what the heck he was going for. The moments of levity during the horror of SCHINDLER'S LIST, for example, just mystify me, as if he couldn't bear to stare into the abyss without looking away. His recant over TEMPLE OF DOOM just seemed disingenuous, also. I wish he would have let the film be what it is, without bowing to some negative reactions when the film came out. For every viewer who thought the film too dark, there were just as many of us who were quite happy to see him flirt with the dark side just a bit.
On its own merits, TEMPLE seems to me to be just as Superman said, ridiculously entertaining, as if the film makers were throwing everything they could possibly think of onto the canvas, just to see what sticks. And as for the score, while I still prefer the first one (if only for that magnificent Ark theme), the music for the second film is just impossibly skillful, lush, deft, and complex. The "Nocturnal Activities" music for the nighttime sequence intercutting between the various characters' shenanigans in the palace may be Johnny's most accomplished and entertaining cue from any of the films. (Ok, that award probably goes to "Desert Chase" but it's a close number two.)
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Mar 30, 2014 - 12:37 PM
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peterproud
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There are some nice sequences in Temple, but it is too dark, even Spielberg says so. The effects do not really hold up, the roller coaster mine car, previously impressive, looks obviously fake green screened now. It is right before Crystal Skull as the weakest picture, granted there are some nice bits in there, but Kate Capshaw screaming, child slavery, human sacrifice - nah. I would watch Indy 1 or Last Crusade any day over Temple, and so would Steven Spielberg.
I'm just not certain Spielberg is the best judge of his own material any more. He's always had difficulties with finding the right tone for his subject matter and there are simply times where you end up scratching your head wondering what the heck he was going for. The moments of levity during the horror of SCHINDLER'S LIST, for example, just mystify me, as if he couldn't bear to stare into the abyss without looking away. His recant over TEMPLE OF DOOM just seemed disingenuous, also. I wish he would have let the film be what it is, without bowing to some negative reactions when the film came out. For every viewer who thought the film too dark, there were just as many of us who were quite happy to see him flirt with the dark side just a bit.
On its own merits, TEMPLE seems to me to be just as Superman said, ridiculously entertaining, as if the film makers were throwing everything they could possibly think of onto the canvas, just to see what sticks. And as for the score, while I still prefer the first one (if only for that magnificent Ark theme), the music for the second film is just impossibly skillful, lush, deft, and complex. The "Nocturnal Activities" music for the nighttime sequence intercutting between the various characters' shenanigans in the palace may be Johnny's most accomplished and entertaining cue from any of the films. (Ok, that award probably goes to "Desert Chase" but it's a close number two.)
Absolutely agree on all your points here, especially regarding "Nocturnal Activities". Everytime I watch that sequence I shake my head at the genius of the scoring...it could not have been done better. It's truly one of my favorite Williams moments in any score of his!
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There are some nice sequences in Temple, but it is too dark, even Spielberg says so. The effects do not really hold up, the roller coaster mine car, previously impressive, looks obviously fake green screened now. It is right before Crystal Skull as the weakest picture, granted there are some nice bits in there, but Kate Capshaw screaming, child slavery, human sacrifice - nah. I would watch Indy 1 or Last Crusade any day over Temple, and so would Steven Spielberg.
Interesting thread on a much loved movie franchise! I’ve picked Ado’s post to reply to, rather than just post because in some ways I agree about Temple of Doom; it doesn’t really know what it wants to be. Part of it is a violent testament to how religion can be subverted for evil and the another part of it is slapstick comedy. The two don’t gel well but the movie is still hugely entertaining, with a talented cast and terrific music score.
Raiders will always be my favourite, and it’s down to balance. Raiders too is quite violent for it’s certificate. Times have changed, of course, but back upon its release Raiders pushed the certificate as far as it could, with impalements, bloody head shots, and melting faces. It has one of my favourite Williams’ scores. Here, he’s on top of his game and as Spielberg wrote on the albums sleeve notes; Williams told Indy when to run, jump and escape (well, words to that effect). It’s one of those films where my view can’t be tainted by nostalgia because my view hasn’t changed since I was 13. It’s a tour de forces of storytelling, great visuals and a classic movie score.
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