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 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Raiders is the best, but Last Crusade is my favorite.

You have excellent taste, me too!smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

is this a non-film score discussion?

There are some nice sequences in Temple, but it is too dark, even Spielberg says so. The effects do not really hold up, the roller coaster mine car, previously impressive, looks obviously fake green screened now. It is right before Crystal Skull as the weakest picture, granted there are some nice bits in there, but Kate Capshaw screaming, child slavery, human sacrifice - nah. I would watch Indy 1 or Last Crusade any day over Temple, and so would Steven Spielberg.

LAST CRUSADE green-screens are worse.

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Hmm, my least favorite Indie film of the first three. TOD was so unpleasant, and totally fell flat. The score just went on aimlessly forever. There are a few memorable cues and themes. I did love the opening song and dance sequence. wink

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   hurlburt.lazar227   (Member)

Put me down in the "Love this Movie" column; the score is my favorite Williams

Loved it at the press screen I got a ticket to in '84, fell into the "Spielberg disowned it" camp, the. Watched it again on home vid & was back in the "love it" camp.

IF Lucas was to do a re-edit, I would cut the whipping sequence, & go from Indy spitting out the potion & Olram saying, " You don't do that!" To big guy punching airy & forcing the potion down - the whipping takes the story a tad too dark, and it's a tad hard to bounce back to fun, fun, fun! That is the only thing I would change, & I think more would enjoy the ride that way.

I hope for a complete release of this score someday - 'till then, I play the DVD score rip, and the Concord from time to time.

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I've checked the other Doom threads and there has been talk of the tap dance section as being a projected fantasy of Willie's. I have always thought it was a simple homage to Busby Berkeley. When the scene broadens to larger dimensions than the club's limited frontage there are scintillating stars that sparkle as an overlay to the dance action. You could interpret this to be either Willie's delusions of grandeur or the Busby Berkeley tribute. Either way, the first time I saw it, I had to applaud the inventiveness and sheer audacity of it all.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 4:54 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

The green screen work in Last Crusade is better than Doom, about 6 years between them I think. In any case, I will take Connery and Ford in the two noticeable green screens in Last Crusade, in the bi-plane, and in the dirigible, over Ford and Capshaw (screaming) in front of a green screen any day.

 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

The green screen work in Last Crusade is better than Doom, about 6 years between them I think. In any case, I will take Connery and Ford in the two noticeable green screens in Last Crusade, in the bi-plane, and in the dirigible, over Ford and Capshaw (screaming) in front of a green screen any day.

right on!

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   jenkwombat   (Member)

I'm definitely in the "Love It" camp too. "Temple" has always been my favorite of the four Indy feature films (followed pretty closely by "Raiders").

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 29, 2014 - 8:33 PM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

Goodness, how did I miss this?

I love Indiana Jones in general, and I love Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I do find it interesting when held against the others - this movie, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade are often referred to as the classic or original "trilogy" of Indy movies, but they aren't exactly a trilogy; indeed, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull are arguably more of an actual trilogy, while this one stands more apart as its own adventure. It has a number of deviations from certain narrative and thematic details common to each of the other three.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2014 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

Yeah, put me down in the "love it" category, too. In fact, I love the original three films equally. smile

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2014 - 7:41 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Goodness, how did I miss this?

I love Indiana Jones in general, and I love Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. I do find it interesting when held against the others - this movie, Raiders of the Lost Ark, and Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade are often referred to as the classic or original "trilogy" of Indy movies, but they aren't exactly a trilogy; indeed, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull are arguably more of an actual trilogy, while this one stands more apart as its own adventure. It has a number of deviations from certain narrative and thematic details common to each of the other three.


Well it was the prequel to Raiders of the Lost Ark. Granted there was no story arc (no pun intended) between the two. So yes it is part of the original trilogy.

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2014 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

Temple Of Doom is, simply put, the most thrilling action movie Steven Spielberg has ever made. It's not as great an overall film as Raiders, but it's the most white-knuckle gripping adventure movie he's done. And all of the technical credits across the board (music, cinematography, art direction, costumes, editing) represent a series high. I will never understand people who think the slack, jokey Last Crusade is better because "It's funnier and lighter and has Sean Connery!"

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2014 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   nerfTractor   (Member)

There are some nice sequences in Temple, but it is too dark, even Spielberg says so. The effects do not really hold up, the roller coaster mine car, previously impressive, looks obviously fake green screened now. It is right before Crystal Skull as the weakest picture, granted there are some nice bits in there, but Kate Capshaw screaming, child slavery, human sacrifice - nah. I would watch Indy 1 or Last Crusade any day over Temple, and so would Steven Spielberg.

I'm just not certain Spielberg is the best judge of his own material any more. He's always had difficulties with finding the right tone for his subject matter and there are simply times where you end up scratching your head wondering what the heck he was going for. The moments of levity during the horror of SCHINDLER'S LIST, for example, just mystify me, as if he couldn't bear to stare into the abyss without looking away. His recant over TEMPLE OF DOOM just seemed disingenuous, also. I wish he would have let the film be what it is, without bowing to some negative reactions when the film came out. For every viewer who thought the film too dark, there were just as many of us who were quite happy to see him flirt with the dark side just a bit.

On its own merits, TEMPLE seems to me to be just as Superman said, ridiculously entertaining, as if the film makers were throwing everything they could possibly think of onto the canvas, just to see what sticks. And as for the score, while I still prefer the first one (if only for that magnificent Ark theme), the music for the second film is just impossibly skillful, lush, deft, and complex. The "Nocturnal Activities" music for the nighttime sequence intercutting between the various characters' shenanigans in the palace may be Johnny's most accomplished and entertaining cue from any of the films. (Ok, that award probably goes to "Desert Chase" but it's a close number two.)

 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2014 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Thanks too Doom we have PG-13.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 30, 2014 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

There are some nice sequences in Temple, but it is too dark, even Spielberg says so. The effects do not really hold up, the roller coaster mine car, previously impressive, looks obviously fake green screened now. It is right before Crystal Skull as the weakest picture, granted there are some nice bits in there, but Kate Capshaw screaming, child slavery, human sacrifice - nah. I would watch Indy 1 or Last Crusade any day over Temple, and so would Steven Spielberg.

I'm just not certain Spielberg is the best judge of his own material any more. He's always had difficulties with finding the right tone for his subject matter and there are simply times where you end up scratching your head wondering what the heck he was going for. The moments of levity during the horror of SCHINDLER'S LIST, for example, just mystify me, as if he couldn't bear to stare into the abyss without looking away. His recant over TEMPLE OF DOOM just seemed disingenuous, also. I wish he would have let the film be what it is, without bowing to some negative reactions when the film came out. For every viewer who thought the film too dark, there were just as many of us who were quite happy to see him flirt with the dark side just a bit.

On its own merits, TEMPLE seems to me to be just as Superman said, ridiculously entertaining, as if the film makers were throwing everything they could possibly think of onto the canvas, just to see what sticks. And as for the score, while I still prefer the first one (if only for that magnificent Ark theme), the music for the second film is just impossibly skillful, lush, deft, and complex. The "Nocturnal Activities" music for the nighttime sequence intercutting between the various characters' shenanigans in the palace may be Johnny's most accomplished and entertaining cue from any of the films. (Ok, that award probably goes to "Desert Chase" but it's a close number two.)


Absolutely agree on all your points here, especially regarding "Nocturnal Activities". Everytime I watch that sequence I shake my head at the genius of the scoring...it could not have been done better. It's truly one of my favorite Williams moments in any score of his!

 
 Posted:   Mar 31, 2014 - 3:08 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Interesting views here. There's one more track that deserves attention: Bug Tunnel/Death Trap. That's another piece of music scored to perfection with the action. That ostinato worked a treat. And it wasn't forgotten, either. Hearing it again on the disc is a pleasure. You wouldn't think a repeated pattern could speak so well for itself. But it's not really as simple as that. The speed of the music varies; it gets faster and faster and there are pauses in between. The masters of sight and sound got it sussed. And then there are the musicians who pulled it off so brilliantly.

About the presentation. All the musicians are credited over two pages with the AFM logo made prominent on the lower right side on the 2nd page. The one thing that puzzled me was the mention of 'horn' players. There doesn't seem to have been a distinction made between french horns or tenor horns, for example. Were these musicians all session players?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 1, 2014 - 2:20 AM   
 By:   wayfarer_1969   (Member)

There are some nice sequences in Temple, but it is too dark, even Spielberg says so. The effects do not really hold up, the roller coaster mine car, previously impressive, looks obviously fake green screened now. It is right before Crystal Skull as the weakest picture, granted there are some nice bits in there, but Kate Capshaw screaming, child slavery, human sacrifice - nah. I would watch Indy 1 or Last Crusade any day over Temple, and so would Steven Spielberg.

Interesting thread on a much loved movie franchise! I’ve picked Ado’s post to reply to, rather than just post because in some ways I agree about Temple of Doom; it doesn’t really know what it wants to be. Part of it is a violent testament to how religion can be subverted for evil and the another part of it is slapstick comedy. The two don’t gel well but the movie is still hugely entertaining, with a talented cast and terrific music score.

Raiders will always be my favourite, and it’s down to balance. Raiders too is quite violent for it’s certificate. Times have changed, of course, but back upon its release Raiders pushed the certificate as far as it could, with impalements, bloody head shots, and melting faces. It has one of my favourite Williams’ scores. Here, he’s on top of his game and as Spielberg wrote on the albums sleeve notes; Williams told Indy when to run, jump and escape (well, words to that effect). It’s one of those films where my view can’t be tainted by nostalgia because my view hasn’t changed since I was 13. It’s a tour de forces of storytelling, great visuals and a classic movie score.

 
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