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 Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 4:52 PM   
 By:   FalkirkBairn   (Member)

You know, Alan, this is really useful information that I doubt anyone has done before. You must keep it in case it's needed as empirical material in future analyses.
I do have the "background work" kept but I didn't go so far as detail where in each movement pieces were excised from.

I know that there have been several performances of Shostakovich's work shown to picture and I assume that the appropriate pieces have been tracked down before for these performances. But I wasn't able to track any details down online so I decided to have a go myself.

I need to check back with Chris' analysis of the music used as I know there are a couple of discrepancies between lists where I found the music in different locations to the ones suggested by Chris (sorry Chris!).

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 1:29 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

You know, Alan, this is really useful information that I doubt anyone has done before. You must keep it in case it's needed as empirical material in future analyses.
I do have the "background work" kept but I didn't go so far as detail where in each movement pieces were excised from.

I know that there have been several performances of Shostakovich's work shown to picture and I assume that the appropriate pieces have been tracked down before for these performances. But I wasn't able to track any details down online so I decided to have a go myself.

I need to check back with Chris' analysis of the music used as I know there are a couple of discrepancies between lists where I found the music in different locations to the ones suggested by Chris (sorry Chris!).


Hey, no worries - it's not like it was my life's work or anything! A definitive list would be a great archive for anyone with any interest in the film. That the music works so well in the film may be testament to someone's cutting skills, but I like to think it that Shostakovich's music is so universal and human.

That said....the best way to listen to Shostakovich's symphonies is from start to finish, not jumping from one to another at an editor's whim!

TG

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 19, 2011 - 2:56 AM   
 By:   FalkirkBairn   (Member)

Before this, I hadn't heard any of Shostakovich's symphonies from start to finish. Now I have 5-6 to listen to. And the quality and variety of the pieces of music used in the film have definitely inspired me now to listen to them intact.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 30, 2012 - 2:29 PM   
 By:   RobertDay154   (Member)

I have a theory about the Shostakovich music used for many of the commercially-available DVD transfers of the film.

The Shostakovich "suite" that others have made the expert analysis of was prepared for a new print of the film released by the Soviet authorities in 1955, the fiftieth anniversary of the 1905 revolution and the mutiny on the 'Potemkin'. The excerpts from the 11th Symphony that accompny the Odessa Steps sequence fit so well - and indeed, I had visualised this music as being shown alongside that sequence long before I ever saw the 1955 print - that I suspect that Shostakovich may actually have written it for the film, but then found he could not complete the rest of the commission, either because of time constraints or because his creative juices did not flow for the project until he took the new approach of setting the Odessa Steps music (despite the fictionality of the incident itself!) into the wider context of the whole 1905 Revolution. So he pulled that music off the shelf, dusted it off, and used it in his 11th Symphony, "The Year 1905", in 1957.

I've been searching for sources that would support this hypothesis, so far without luck. (But equally, I've found none that demolish the theory either!)

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2014 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   pchampoux   (Member)

Chris, I really appreciate you doing this. I'm keenly interested to see how Shostakovich's music is used in this film. I've just recently bought Meisel's score for the film and I'd like to see how different the two approaches used sound.

Where were you able to buy the Meisel score to the film? I have been scouring the internet looking for someplace to get it. I am doing a study on the different scores that have been set to Potemkin, and having a copy of the original is pretty pivotal to the study.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 28, 2014 - 10:53 PM   
 By:   Doc Loch   (Member)

There was a 2-CD set of Mesiel's scores for Potemkin and Holy Mountain released several years ago (edel label, perhaps?). I synced up the Odessa Steps sequence to the film to show in a film music class and it worked reasonably well (I assumed the drum roll started when the baby carriage started rolling down the steps, so used that as a sync point and then backtimed from there). There was also a cheap company several years ago called Soundtrack Factory that used to release discs with the music of films apparently taken right off the optical tracks of film prints. They promoted their Potemkin disc as the Meisel score, but as I recall it was just the Shostakovich tracks from the re-release, so this disc should be avoided, even if you find a cheap copy listed somewhere.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2014 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

I've also seen OCTOBER (or TEN DAYS THAT SHOOK THE WORLD), arguably a better film, with music by Shostakovich. I thought it was the Eleventh Symphony that somebody had tracked in, but Wikipedia says, "In 1966, Dimitri Shostakovich wrote a new soundtrack for the film, which later appeared as a tone poem 'October' Op.131."

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2014 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   pchampoux   (Member)

By score I mean, an actual physical copy of the sheet music, not a recording. Any ideas?

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 1, 2014 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I've also seen OCTOBER (or TEN DAYS THAT SHOOK THE WORLD), arguably a better film, with music by Shostakovich. I thought it was the Eleventh Symphony that somebody had tracked in, but Wikipedia says, "In 1966, Dimitri Shostakovich wrote a new soundtrack for the film, which later appeared as a tone poem 'October' Op.131."


The youtube version of TEN DAYS that I've found has a snippet of the 11th for the introduction but then launches into the 12th for at least the first eight or ten minutes. I haven't had time to watch it all yet.

I doubt that "October" opus 131 was written for a film. There's no mention of it in my usual references and everything points to it being written on commission for the 50th anniversary of the revolution. Typically, DDS starts it with a quotation from his own 10th symphony, the work he wrote to mark/celebrate the death of Stalin and which more than any other work up to that point asserts Shostakovich's own signature in his work - as if to say "I survived, Comrade Stalin, and you're dead".

 
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