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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1      General Discussion: John Williams rejected Attack Of The Clones finale   Last Post   Posted:   Mar 17, 2011 - 7:48 PM     By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member) Check it out here: http://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=19995    Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 9:23 AM     By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member) Almost 300 views and no replies? Figured more people would be interested in hearing this.    Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 9:27 AM     By:   nxbusby   (Member) Almost 300 views and no replies? Figured more people would be interested in hearing this. Guess people prefer the original. I think its very good. Of couse, I'm in the camp that believes that the imperial march had no business being in Attack of the Clones.    Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 9:27 AM     By:   Mike_H   (Member) I've been waiting a long time to hear this in some form and I absolutely love it. For me the best part of the "Imperial March" add-on is the part that is included in and expanded upon here. Much better, imho, than what ended up in the final version.    Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 10:01 AM     By:   Adam S   (Member) I've been very curious about this for a long time. Somewhat different than I imagined but I like it. The balance of the "orchestra" feels a little off in places but still very well done. Alternates are always fascinating to me. The original idea seemed to score it somewhat as a reveal but in a much more ambiguous way and, in particular, emphasizing the amassing of forces. It seems like it would have blended with the visuals a lot better but there is something to be said for the more explicit reveal that the actual version provides with the Imperial March. I'd love to have the original recording of this on an expanded CD! - Adam    Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 10:02 AM     By:   LeHah   (Member) I had hoped that the prequels were going to allow for a "heroic" version of the Imperial March. I'm not sure what to think of this "rejected" bit of music. Whats the source?    Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 10:09 AM     By:   KevinSmith   (Member) Almost 300 views and no replies? Figured more people would be interested in hearing this. Welcome to FSM    Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 10:28 AM     By:   Rnelson   (Member) It certainly sounds like authentic Williams. I actually prefer this to the Imperial March version heard in the film since that sounded so tacked-on. I know Lucas was trying to forecast Palpatine's Imperial power but I think using the full-on march was too literal in getting that across (As Lucas seems to always be). Nicely done Mock-up, BTW.    Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 12:15 PM     By:   Solium   (Member) Prefer the Imperial March version. This rejected cue wanders about aimlessly and has far less impact.    Posted:   Mar 18, 2011 - 4:58 PM     By:   EmpireSB   (Member) I have mixed feelings about the alternate. That could change if I heard the orchestral version, though. It seemed like it was going to lead into "Across the Stars" a couple times there... at least in the YouTube video.    Posted:   Nov 13, 2013 - 9:05 PM     By:   Mike_H   (Member) After more than 10 years of listening to "Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale" I JUST realized that the wonderful brass fanfare/counterpoint that occurs at 3:09 is a statement of "Across the Stars". D'oh! Anyway, it's always been one of my favorite JW moments.    Posted:   Nov 13, 2013 - 9:53 PM     By:   BTTFFan   (Member) I like the alternate version. The LSO would make it sound amazing. I always thought the full on Imperial March in the final cut was too in your face at that point in the story. A mix of this rejected version and the final version would have been perfect - A "hybrid" Imperial March I guess.    Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 10:05 AM     By:   GoodMusician86   (Member) I have to say, the original version has some really amazing passages and I could see it working but as some have said, it has a general feeling of wandering. I'm sure a true orchestra recording of it would be more dramatic and more refined sounding. As for its comparison to the Imperial March, the score to AOTC seems to lift quite a bit from the themes of the other films and so it's almost no surprise that it does so again here in the revised version. I do have to say though, the moment is rousing, although thematically a bit confusing since, despite the name, the Imperial March is almost always associated with Vader. I think either piece has strengths and would welcome a true recording of the original although it's my opinion that Next to "Escape - Chase - Saying Goodbye" from ET, and "TRex Rescue and Finale" from Jurassic Park," "Finale and End Credits" is my all time favourite John Williams album track.    Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 12:30 PM     By:   LeHah   (Member) Sort of a dumb question: Where is this rejected cue sourced from? That is - where did the sheet that the person transcribed the synth material come from? How do we know this is real? Not trying to piss anyone off - just looking to fill in some blanks.    Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 6:59 PM     By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member) How do we know this is real? Welcome to the internet/FSM! (I'd like to know the source too. I'd like to know it BEFORE I click on the link. Not holding my breath.)    Posted:   Nov 15, 2013 - 7:18 PM     By:   stravinsky   (Member) Well I'm so glad to hear this again (even though its a mock up) after almost 12 years. I was singing Tenor in the extra chorus of Covent Garden at the time in Verdi's Simon Boccanegra. Between stage rehearsals Terry Edwards came up to me and asked if I would like to sing in the two AOTC sessions which were due the following week. I nearly fainted. I had done a couple of gigs with London Voices before this and the most recent had been a recording of a Symphonic Jazz Cantata by Dave Brubeck called "The Gates of Justice" which we recorded at Abbey Road. I turned up at Abbey Road and the entire day was one of utter enchantment for me. It is this one deleted passage of underscore which dazzled me the most. Williams recorded the entire thing three or four times in front of me and I got to hear those gigantic orchestral chords over and over again. At the time I described the effect as a "massive orchestral blowout" and I really looked forward to hearing it on the official soundtrack album. Chris Chrusher sent me an advance promo of the AOTC soundtrack album a few months later and I was very disappointed to hear the Imperial March used as replacement. I thought this was a cheap and inappropriate cop-out. Much like the entire wretched movie itself. Will this legendary portion ever see the light of day on CD? If it had been me I would have left any statement of the Imperial March right to the end of ROTS when Anakin/Vader is on the operating table. I would have commisioned Williams to transform the Imperial March into a gigantic choral statement. Can you imagine a 60 piece choir of the calibre of London Voices singing the Imperial March as an illustrative index of Vader's magnitude? Sadly even such a grandiloquent statement could not have saved the rushed botched job of Vader's incarnation. There was relatively little to do for us in the chorus that day so most of us were trying to contort our heads up to catch snippets of what was happening on the gigantic screen above our heads. I remember seeing huge bars rolling across the screen which acted as a click track in time with the music. Also I was mildly horrified to see images of a computer generated Yoda (the CGI image wasnt entirely fleshed out at this stage) doing somersaults with a tiny light sabre. Oh please! Utterly dreadful. I was moving house at the time of the premiere of AOTC and I almost missed my chance to see the cast and crew showing at Leicester Sq because the tickets had been sent to my previous address. Luckily I intercepted my mail and was able to attend. I went with my good friend Richard Voice and we sat through this largely interminable gadbage dressed up as a Star Wars movie. It was just an orgy of not very good CGI. We were both well versed with the soundtrack for TPM and were both equally dismayed to hear snippets of the TPM score used as genuine underscore. One of the main qualities of the Star Wars movies was the music and this aberration and butchering of Williams music was a benchmark which set AOTC apart from all the other movies. Incidentally does anyone know if Williams wrote an original set of cues for the scenes which were ultimately scored with rehashed snippets from the score of TPM? Or was the ratatouille of jumbled up snippets the first and only choice? What a mess! This was one of the best paid singing jobs I ever did and I still have the Lucasfilm invoice to prove it. In between the two sessions I bravely walked over to Mr Williams who was standing at the podium poring over his gigantic printed score which had "STAR WARS II" written in big bold letters on the front page. I introduced myself and by this time I was physically shaking. I told him the story he's probably heard a thousand times...that as an 8 year old in Glasgow I was significantly influenced by his vast orchestral frescoes so much so that I eventually made classical music my career and thus went on to study opera at the RCM. I distinctly remember saying "Mr Williams! Your music will last for hundreds and hundreds of years!" To which he retorted "Yes but will we still be around in hundreds of years?". What I remember about him in those brief moments was his deportment and incredible graces. I had my photo taken with him and it hangs on my living room wall. It was a perfect day in many respects except for one thing. In my stupour I forgot to shake maestro Williams hand!    Posted:   Nov 17, 2013 - 1:16 PM     By:   Advise & Consent   (Member) Thanks for the link Jason. And Stravinsky, you may want to consider indenting your paragraphs. 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