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 Posted:   May 20, 2011 - 10:17 PM   
 By:   Gutenberg   (Member)

Just picked up THE ROCK today and, knowing it is composed by multiple individuals, wish I knew who composed which cues. I know NGS composed the Jade theme and HGW composed some of the more disjointed tracks later on the disc; aside from that I know very little.

Anybody "in the know" able to help? : P

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2011 - 10:56 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

H-GW: "I basically helped Nick Glennie Smith and Hans get through it - there was a mountain of music to be written and hardly any time (what's new), not to mention probably the most odious director alive plus the eternal task master Jerry "let's torture Harry now" Bruckheimer. The car chase was one of a few that became my responsibility. I thought Nick did a REALLY good job considering the circumstances."

Zimmer: "The main theme is mine, as are a few other bits. It's really hard to tell. I do have a huge influence in there. But I never really wanted to write any of it. It was always supposed to be Nick Glennie-Smith's score."


1 - Opening Titles - Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
2 - Hummel Gets The Rockets - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
3 - Baby Doll* - Harry Gregson-Williams
4 - Rock House Jail - Nick Glennie-Smith
5 - Hummel's Speech - Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
6 - The Quarter* - Nick Glennie-Smith
7 - The Chase - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams, Don Harper
8 - Jade - Nick Glennie-Smith
9 - Lift Off - Nick Glennie-Smith
10 - The Furnace - Welcome To The Rock - Don Harper, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
11 - The Shower Scene* - Nick Glennie-Smith
12 - Rodent Problem* - Harry Gregson-Williams
13 - The Morgue* - Harry Gregson-Williams
14 - In The Tunnels - Harry Gregson-Williams
15 - Off The Track - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
16 - Mason's Walk - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
17 - Deadline - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
18 - First Launch - Harry Gregson-Williams
19 - Aftermath* - Nick Glennie-Smith
20 - Mutiny - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
21 - Lighthouse - Harry Gregson-Williams
22 - The Last Chip - Harry Gregson-Williams
23 - Green Smoke - Nick Glennie-Smith
24 - Safe* - Nick Glennie-Smith
25 - Fort Walton Kansas - Nick Glennie-Smith

*Tracks not on the OST

This isn't the complete score, but most of it. Credit goes to HybridSoldier for this. Apparently Nick Glennie-Smith was hired to score the film, but Michael Bay was unhappy with his theme(s). Zimmer was brought in to write a new main theme (not including "Jade" which is NG-S), while Harry Gregson-Williams and Don Harper provided additional music. NG-S's contributions aren't far removed from his additional music on CRIMSON TIDE, and HG-W's contributions sound like his highly percussive action style at the time (heard in Armageddon, Enemy of the State, The Replacement Killers).

Hope this helps! smile

 
 
 Posted:   May 20, 2011 - 11:20 PM   
 By:   Gutenberg   (Member)

Excellent! Exactly what I was after. Now the task is to determine which cues got mangled together for the OST... smile

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2011 - 1:48 AM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

1. Hummell Gets the Rockets --- Opening Titles & Same
2. Rock House Jail --- Same, Hummel's Speech, Lift Off
3. Jade --- Same
4. In the Tunnels --- The Furnace, Welcome to the Rock, In the Tunnels & Off the Track
5. Mason's Walk - First Launch --- Same, Deadline & First Launch
6. Rocket Away --- Mutiny, Lighthouse, The Last Chip & Green Smoke
7. Fort Walton - Kansas --- Same
8. The Chase --- Same


It's mostly in chronological order, but for some odd reason "The Chase" is thrown in at the end (!)

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2011 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   Gutenberg   (Member)

1. Hummell Gets the Rockets --- Opening Titles & Same
2. Rock House Jail --- Same, Hummel's Speech, Lift Off
3. Jade --- Same
4. In the Tunnels --- The Furnace, Welcome to the Rock, In the Tunnels & Off the Track
5. Mason's Walk - First Launch --- Same, Deadline & First Launch
6. Rocket Away --- Mutiny, Lighthouse, The Last Chip & Green Smoke
7. Fort Walton - Kansas --- Same
8. The Chase --- Same


It's mostly in chronological order, but for some odd reason "The Chase" is thrown in at the end (!)


Wow, thanks again!

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2011 - 8:10 AM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

H-GW: "I basically helped Nick Glennie Smith and Hans get through it - there was a mountain of music to be written and hardly any time (what's new), not to mention probably the most odious director alive...

Where did this quote come from? He's being amazingly frank about Bay there!

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2011 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Yup, apparently Nick Glennie-Smith wrote the whole score and then somebody - either Bruckheimer or Bay - decided they didn't like the theme. Since the theme weaved its way through almost the entire score the whole thing needed re-doing.

The legend goes that Zimmer, Gregson-Williams and others were camped out in Glennie-Smith's house, feverishly writing against the clock to get it done.

Under the circumstances it's a wonder it came out so well!

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2011 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

The end credits of The Rock list "The Chase" individually among the music credits (to Don Harper).

H-GW: "I basically helped Nick Glennie Smith and Hans get through it - there was a mountain of music to be written and hardly any time (what's new), not to mention probably the most odious director alive...

Where did this quote come from? He's being amazingly frank about Bay there!


He's hardly alone in his dislike - Bruce Willis, Kate Beckinsale and Megan Fox would all happily never work for him again.

 
 Posted:   May 21, 2011 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

Under the circumstances it's a wonder it came out so well!

Yep. It remains one of my favorite, perhaps my very favorite, of the 90s RC-style scores.

Yup, apparently Nick Glennie-Smith wrote the whole score and then somebody - either Bruckheimer or Bay - decided they didn't like the theme. Since the theme weaved its way through almost the entire score the whole thing needed re-doing.

Then there's the whole confusion with Glennie-Smith's The Man in the Iron Mask having a nearly identical theme to The Rock. Was it temped with The Rock? Was Glennie-Smith trying to claim ownership of that theme? Has it ever been brought up in an interview?

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2011 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   richuk   (Member)

Weird, I'd always considered this score as Zimmer's - it completely has his sound. Probably my favourite RCP score (after Gladiator, the influence for which is debatable).

And because I first heard the score as mp3s sourced from god knows where, I didn't see the album cover which clearly mentions three composers (and even lately I never really paid attention to it).

Looks like I was misguided all along!

 
 
 Posted:   May 21, 2011 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Weird, I'd always considered this score as Zimmer's - it completely has his sound.

Understandable because of the whole Michael Bay/Jerry Bruckheimer connection. The score is almost a follow-up to the sound established in Crimson Tide, scored by (you guessed it) Zimmer and Glennie-Smith.

If you want the true continuation of Zimmer's sound though, listen to The Peacemaker. Apart from one track by Gavin Greenaway, the majority of that score was composed by Zimmer right before the score-by-committee approach really took off.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2011 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Aggelos   (Member)

H-GW: "I basically helped Nick Glennie Smith and Hans get through it - there was a mountain of music to be written and hardly any time (what's new), not to mention probably the most odious director alive plus the eternal task master Jerry "let's torture Harry now" Bruckheimer. The car chase was one of a few that became my responsibility. I thought Nick did a REALLY good job considering the circumstances."

Zimmer: "The main theme is mine, as are a few other bits. It's really hard to tell. I do have a huge influence in there. But I never really wanted to write any of it. It was always supposed to be Nick Glennie-Smith's score."


1 - Opening Titles - Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
2 - Hummel Gets The Rockets - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
3 - Baby Doll* - Harry Gregson-Williams
4 - Rock House Jail - Nick Glennie-Smith
5 - Hummel's Speech - Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
6 - The Quarter* - Nick Glennie-Smith
7 - The Chase - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams, Don Harper
8 - Jade - Nick Glennie-Smith
9 - Lift Off - Nick Glennie-Smith
10 - The Furnace - Welcome To The Rock - Don Harper, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
11 - The Shower Scene* - Nick Glennie-Smith
12 - Rodent Problem* - Harry Gregson-Williams
13 - The Morgue* - Harry Gregson-Williams
14 - In The Tunnels - Harry Gregson-Williams
15 - Off The Track - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
16 - Mason's Walk - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
17 - Deadline - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
18 - First Launch - Harry Gregson-Williams
19 - Aftermath* - Nick Glennie-Smith
20 - Mutiny - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
21 - Lighthouse - Harry Gregson-Williams
22 - The Last Chip - Harry Gregson-Williams
23 - Green Smoke - Nick Glennie-Smith
24 - Safe* - Nick Glennie-Smith
25 - Fort Walton Kansas - Nick Glennie-Smith

*Tracks not on the OST

This isn't the complete score, but most of it. Credit goes to HybridSoldier for this. Apparently Nick Glennie-Smith was hired to score the film, but Michael Bay was unhappy with his theme(s). Zimmer was brought in to write a new main theme (not including "Jade" which is NG-S), while Harry Gregson-Williams and Don Harper provided additional music. NG-S's contributions aren't far removed from his additional music on CRIMSON TIDE, and HG-W's contributions sound like his highly percussive action style at the time (heard in Armageddon, Enemy of the State, The Replacement Killers).




Why is Michael Bay being referred as odious? I mean do Jerry and Michael "torture" and "torment" the composers?
Where is Steven M. Stern?

According to list, it seems that Harry and Nick were the 2 main composers of the film (not Hans and Nick as it is referred to the main titles).
Actually my personal fave it "The Morgue" in there. Adrenaline pumping and commando badassery!
Does anyone have any interviews by the composers for the The Rock and the process of scoring the film?

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2012 - 7:53 PM   
 By:   Peter Atterberg   (Member)

If I'm correct certain labels are now releasing scores from movies made by Hollywood Pictures. Which means a complete The Rock score may finally be on the way! We can only hope though. I still listen to this score religiously nearly every week.

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2012 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

H-GW: "I basically helped Nick Glennie Smith and Hans get through it - there was a mountain of music to be written and hardly any time (what's new), not to mention probably the most odious director alive plus the eternal task master Jerry "let's torture Harry now" Bruckheimer. The car chase was one of a few that became my responsibility. I thought Nick did a REALLY good job considering the circumstances."

Zimmer: "The main theme is mine, as are a few other bits. It's really hard to tell. I do have a huge influence in there. But I never really wanted to write any of it. It was always supposed to be Nick Glennie-Smith's score."


1 - Opening Titles - Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
2 - Hummel Gets The Rockets - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
3 - Baby Doll* - Harry Gregson-Williams
4 - Rock House Jail - Nick Glennie-Smith
5 - Hummel's Speech - Hans Zimmer, Nick Glennie-Smith
6 - The Quarter* - Nick Glennie-Smith
7 - The Chase - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams, Don Harper
8 - Jade - Nick Glennie-Smith
9 - Lift Off - Nick Glennie-Smith
10 - The Furnace - Welcome To The Rock - Don Harper, Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
11 - The Shower Scene* - Nick Glennie-Smith
12 - Rodent Problem* - Harry Gregson-Williams
13 - The Morgue* - Harry Gregson-Williams
14 - In The Tunnels - Harry Gregson-Williams
15 - Off The Track - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
16 - Mason's Walk - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
17 - Deadline - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
18 - First Launch - Harry Gregson-Williams
19 - Aftermath* - Nick Glennie-Smith
20 - Mutiny - Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams
21 - Lighthouse - Harry Gregson-Williams
22 - The Last Chip - Harry Gregson-Williams
23 - Green Smoke - Nick Glennie-Smith
24 - Safe* - Nick Glennie-Smith
25 - Fort Walton Kansas - Nick Glennie-Smith

*Tracks not on the OST

This isn't the complete score, but most of it. Credit goes to HybridSoldier for this. Apparently Nick Glennie-Smith was hired to score the film, but Michael Bay was unhappy with his theme(s). Zimmer was brought in to write a new main theme (not including "Jade" which is NG-S), while Harry Gregson-Williams and Don Harper provided additional music. NG-S's contributions aren't far removed from his additional music on CRIMSON TIDE, and HG-W's contributions sound like his highly percussive action style at the time (heard in Armageddon, Enemy of the State, The Replacement Killers).

Hope this helps! smile














Interesting, the one I have is tagged differently:


1. Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith - Opening Titles (3:54)
2. Nick Glennie-Smith - Hummel Gets The Rockets (4:17)
3. Harry Gregson-Williams & Don Harper - Baby Doll (2:26)
4. Nick Glennie-Smith, Don Harper & Steven M. Stern - Rock House Jail (3:30)
5. Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith - Hummel's Speech (2:25)
6. Harry Gregson-Williams & Steven M. Stern - Window Crash / Fairmont (2:07)
7. Harry Gregson-Williams & Don Harper - The Chase (8:37)
8. Nick Glennie-Smith - Jade (2:00)
9. Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith - The Mission (7:12)
10. Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams & Don Harper - Welcome To The Rock (4:19)
11. Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith - The Shower Massacre (4:52)
12. Nick Glennie-Smith & Don Harper - Rodent Problem (3:44)
13. Harry Gregson-Williams - The Morgue (1:47)
14. Harry Gregson-Williams - In The Tunnels (2:11)
15. Nick Glennie-Smith - Off The Track (4:12)
16. Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith - Mason's Walk (5:36)
17. Nick Glennie-Smith, Harry Gregson-Williams & Russ Landau - Deadline (4:12)
18. Harry Gregson-Williams - First Launch (1:54)
19. Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith - Aftermath (1:58)
20. Nick Glennie-Smith - Mutiny (5:29)
21. Nick Glennie-Smith & Don Harper - Lighthouse (3:08)
22. Harry Gregson-Williams - The Last Chip (2:27)
23. Nick Glennie-Smith - Green Smoke (2:38)
24. Nick Glennie-Smith - Safe (3:25)
25. Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith - Fort Walton, Kansas (1:40)
26. Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith - End Credits (4:51)
27. Hans Zimmer & Nick Glennie-Smith - The Mission (Alternate) (1:56)
28. Nick Glennie-Smith - Welcome To The Rock (Alternate) (1:37)
29. Nick Glennie-Smith - Action Theme (Demo) (2:43)
30. Nick Glennie-Smith - Quiet Theme (Demo) (2:50)
31. Nick Glennie-Smith - Triumphant Theme (Demo) (2:27)

 
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