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 Posted:   Jun 15, 2011 - 7:21 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I always felt with all the great tuneful songs they did over the years they never really got the credit they deserve.Probably because most of their big Musical's were done[except for Mary Poppins]were in the years of 67 thru 78, the period when so many film musicals were poison at the boxoffice.Post Liitle Mermaid period, 89 till now they really would have been more successful.Folks what do you think of the Sherman brothers talent, pro or con ?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2011 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

If you ever saw that documentary about the Sherman Brothers, professionally the respected each other, but personally they despised each other.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2011 - 8:51 PM   
 By:   filmusicnow   (Member)

Double post.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2011 - 10:05 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

I feel they really peaked with "Mary Poppins," and although they have written some very pleasant things since, they were never as great again because they never had the close supervision -- particularly of someone with the authority to say "no, not good enough" -- which they had under Mr. Disney himself. You begin to see it with "The Happiest Millionaire," which was done while Disney was still alive, but when he was deeply invloved in other projects. It was designed to be another road-show-event along the lines of "Poppins," and had a lot of nice things in it, but lacked that certain magic.

Still, you have to admire how prolific they were over the years, particularly in light of their difficult personal relationship.

Some other Sherman threads:

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=69402&forumID=1&archive=0

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=64482&forumID=1&archive=0

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=59950&forumID=1&archive=0

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=58667&forumID=7&archive=0

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=55198&forumID=1&archive=0

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=13114&forumID=1&archive=1

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2011 - 10:15 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

To Sigerson- I agree with your point's, i did really love their Slipper and the rose-76, that i felt was a class production, all numbers were good, Secret kingdom was lovely.

 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2011 - 10:20 PM   
 By:   Sigerson Holmes   (Member)

"Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" had some lovely melodies, and also should have been a "Poppins"-size success. I recently heard a radio interview with Dick Van Dyke, and he certainly wishes Uncle Walt had produced that one too.

"Bedknobs and Broomsticks" was also very nice, with some good English-folk-style material, reminiscent of "Poppins."

I enjoyed a number they wrote to be heard by people waiting to get into Kodak's "Captain EO" presentation, which I first heard at EPCOT Center, called "Makin' Memories," which clevery worked the whole history of photography into the space of one catchy song.


--Lest we forget, they just recently provided a World's Fair-style anthem for the Stark Expo in "Iron Man 2," "Make Way for Tomorrow Today."

You can hear it here, with unrelated "Astro Boy" imagery:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooJgaUyT1EE

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2011 - 11:28 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I'm a fan of their 1973 musical adaptation of "Tom Sawyer," for which the Sherman's wrote the screenplay as well as the music. The score was conducted and adapted by John Williams, and all three were Academy-nominated for "Best Music, Scoring--Original Song Score and/or Adaptation."


 
 
 Posted:   Jun 15, 2011 - 11:36 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

I like it alot too. I love the main opening song sung by Charlie pride[can't think of title now, like-only once in your life are you free and it is not when you are in your mother's womb and they are debating to kill you or not. Also How come and If i was God, by the way Bobby Goldsboro did a version of If i was God, very enjoyable film, help greatly by MR Williams orchestration.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2011 - 10:00 AM   
 By:   jskoda   (Member)

When I hear the soundtrack albums before seeing the movies, I almost always end up thinking the movies themselves rarely live up to the Sherman Brothers song scores That's true of TOM SAWYER, but especially true of the1973 animated CHARLOTTE'S WEB.

Listen to the CHARLOTTE score and it's intelligent, entertaining, beautifully orchestrated, and represents the themes of the book very well When I finally saw the movie, it was overly simplistic and cheap-looking.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2011 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

When I hear the soundtrack albums before seeing the movies, I almost always end up thinking the movies themselves rarely live up to the Sherman Brothers song scores That's true of TOM SAWYER, but especially true of the1973 animated CHARLOTTE'S WEB.

Listen to the CHARLOTTE score and it's intelligent, entertaining, beautifully orchestrated, and represents the themes of the book very well When I finally saw the movie, it was overly simplistic and cheap-looking.



I'd tend to agree. And while the DVD of the film is readily available, the LP of the score has yet to make it to CD.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2011 - 1:38 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Yes, I'd be the first to buy a reissue of Charlotte's Web on CD.

 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2011 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

The Sherman Bros. are my favorite songwriters. I'd love a boxset of their complete Disney works.

The 2-CD set from a couple years back still leaves me wanting more.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2011 - 5:40 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Yes, I'd be the first to buy a reissue of Charlotte's Web on CD.

Universal Music Group has the rights to the Paramount Records LP. Sadly, our specialty labels (and their customers) have little interest in musicals.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 16, 2011 - 6:20 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

To JSKODA- I COULD NOT AGREE WITH YOU MORE, THE SHERMAN BROTHERS SCORES OFTEN WERE BETTER THEN THE MOVIE, THIS I FELT WAS TRUE WITH, ONE AND ONLY ORIGINAL BAND AND MAGIC OF LASSIE- AS WELL, tHE HAPPIEST MILLIONAIRE AND THE SLIPPER AND THE ROSE I FELT BOTH HAD FINE SCORES AND WERE PRETTY GOOD FILMS.REMEMBER WHEN THEY TRIED DWANGS, THE PLAY, BUT IT BOMB OUT.

 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Been on a Sherman Brothers kick lately. The Slipper and the Rose, Pete's Dragon, Little Nemo.
Amazing talent. I didn't know they did Charlotte's Web. I'll have to check that out.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 29, 2014 - 9:45 PM   
 By:   Don Norman   (Member)

Check out their THE HAPPIEST MILLIONAIRE score too. It contains some of their best songs, IMO.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Check out their THE HAPPIEST MILLIONAIRE score too. It contains some of their best songs, IMO.

Thanks I will! Never heard that one either.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 7:23 AM   
 By:   jskoda   (Member)

I listened to their TOM SAWYER again lately, and "Hannibal Mo-(Zouree)!" is another great example of how the songs are often better than the movies. Listening to the "Hannibal" recording before seeing the movie, you think, wow, I'll bet this is a great sequence. It shows you this whole community and, with the choral ending (John Williams adapts the songs), provides a majestic culmination to the story. But on film, it just sits there, a wasted opportunity.

Part of the trouble is there are very few film directors, even over all time, who know how to build a successful musical sequence.

 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

Actually, I find their score to "The Slipper and the Rose" one of their finest, and this one was done in the 1970s.

 
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