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 Posted:   Jul 22, 2011 - 5:58 AM   
 By:   merlyn   (Member)

I just received my copy of The Golden Child and my first impression is that La La Land have done a superb job on this from the packaging to the 2 brilliant scores by Barry and Colombier
if you miss this release then you will be very foolish. Well done all at La La land

Lyn

 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2011 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   soundtrackman   (Member)

Only through the Barry score thus far, but it is indeed a magnificent find - a glorious new JB score (read: James Bond / John Barry). Certainly sounds like Moonraker / High Road to China / Howard the Duck and so on, but there ain't nothing wrong with that. And the sound quality is superb.

Thanks to all involved for unearthing this true burried treasure.

Mark T.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2011 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   reecardov   (Member)

Bravo indeed - the Barry score is a real treat! Listening to it you can't help but wonder how different the movie must have been at the time Barry scored it. I recall reading somewhere that it was a totally different cut of the film. The music is really fantastic, but I just can't see how it ever really "fit" the film they intended to make.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2011 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   counterpoint   (Member)

I just received my copy of The Golden Child and my first impression is that La La Land have done a superb job on this from the packaging to the 2 brilliant scores by Barry and Colombier
if you miss this release then you will be very foolish. Well done all at La La land

Lyn



I couldn`t agree more. I enjoy both scores very much. One of my favorite recent releases.

 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2011 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   tyuan74   (Member)

I'm still waiting for t my copy from oversea!!! W Lalaland!!!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 26, 2011 - 7:51 PM   
 By:   howardtduck   (Member)

It is brilliant,I hear Raise the titanic,Out of africa,The black hole,The specialist and Chaplin,its everything a John Barry score should be.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2011 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

A nice score indeed but I do think Barry may have taken the film way too seriously. Of course, this is just a guess because the composer did work with a different cut of the film (which was substantially changed when Colombier was brought in). The Colombier score was definitely more appropriate on the commercial level but it does sound terribly dated today.

Alex

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2011 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

I just finished playing THE GOLDEN CHILD ( again ) it's a lovely score, very Bond like plus those other influences people here have mentioned, like others here I find it hard to imagine how it worked with the film but then the film we saw isn't the one that Barry saw.

NP : Night Games - John Barry

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2011 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   DeviantMan   (Member)

This is a great release.
Though I think that the issues with John Barry was that he had been scoring films for twenty years before he got this assignment. Barry's sophisticated musical style had matured considerably and tended to gloss over the action to a certain degree. So for a hyper 80's action comedy, his style was at odds.

Even for HOWARD THE DUCK, Barry's themes are cool but the slower, noble approach was at odds with the film. Sylvester Levay's up tempo interpretations of his theme fit like a glove.

At some point during pre-production for this film the producers must have thought...
Well, Barry scored GOLDFINGER, so he should be perfect to score THE GOLDEN CHILD.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2011 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)

It's a solid, classy effort. It's interesting to compare Barry's and Goldsmith's approaches to bad films...Barry seemed to go for subdued dignity (like here, Howard the Duck, and Starcrash), while Goldsmith would go into overdrive (Damnation Alley, The Swarm, many others). I hate the Colombier score, but it's a good cautionary example of trendy scoring and it's good to have it preserved on disc.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2011 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

As I have stated in the other Golden Child threads:

As much as I admire John Barry and have practically all his scores, I found his effort quite bland and uninspired. and the score certainly doesn't work as C&C listening experience as it just drudges along. The main theme is nice but it's standard Barry fare.

Colombier, on the other hand, knocked it out of the park as the score is thoroughly entertaining from beginning to end. It's fun, electic, and engaging and I just love those hints of orchestral majesty (i.e. The Mountain). All in all, a great score.

This is my second Colombier score, the first one being UN CHAMBRE EN VILLE, and I am eager to seek out more his work.

 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2011 - 3:13 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Barry's Golden Child is one of the best things I've heard in a while. What an extraordinary find! It's epic, tuneful, exotic and exciting (i.e. the antithesis of film music today). It recalls the most appealing aspects of the 80s Bond scores, Howard The Duck, The Specialist, etc. And his arrangement of Berlin's "Puttin' on the Ritz" is a trip!

This is the music Barry might have written for an Indiana Jones film (though it is nothing like John Williams -- and much better than High Road to China).

It's appalling to me this score was rejected. The filmmakers evidently (and short-sightedly) wanted a more hip, "Beverly Hills Cop" sound for Eddie Murphy. But 25 years on, Michel Colombier's replacement score is about as hip as a mullet. I listen to Colombier's music and all I can picture are teenage girls with big hair salivating over pictures of Corey Haim. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2011 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

I do like Barry, but being honest and not wanting to be a whiner...this one left me completely cold. The package itself is great looking and it is nice that LaLaLand gives us indulgence items like this, Breakdown, etc; but Golden Child just...doesn't go anywhere. At all. It falls in with those late era Barry scores like Mercury Rising that were just mood and strings and little else . The talk of "the last Bond he never scored" was exciting...but this one, for me, is a terrific disappointment. Hey I am glad for those who are digging this one, but soon mine will hit the Trading Post board frown


 
 Posted:   Jul 27, 2011 - 6:29 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

I do like Barry, but being honest and not wanting to be a whiner...this one left me completely cold. The package itself is great looking and it is nice that LaLaLand gives us indulgence items like this, Breakdown, etc; but Golden Child just...doesn't go anywhere. At all. It falls in with those late era Barry scores like Mercury Rising that were just mood and strings and little else . The talk of "the last Bond he never scored" was exciting...but this one, for me, is a terrific disappointment. Hey I am glad for those who are digging this one, but soon mine will hit the Trading Post board frown

I completely understand how you feel. Over the 77 minute run time, I waited and waited for that Barry gold to materialize but it never happened.

Fortunately, Colombier's score lifted my spirits.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2011 - 2:35 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I can't agree.

The early-mid 1980s were very much a second coming for John Barry, who had set the film music world alight with his dynamic first coming in the 1960s but who had slid behind the curtain of Goldsmith and Williams as the 1970s rolled on.

Then in 1979 with Moonraker, he scored a real 'back to form' film music hit. And then Somewhere In Time happened, which soon led to a string of new hits including Body Heat, Raise The Titanic, Frances, Octopussy, Out Of Africa, etc. It was as if Barry had discovered his 'sweet spot' -- that thing he does uniquely well and sets him apart.

There was something slightly different. This second coming wasn't quite so spectacular than the first in terms of vitality, but there was one thing he was doing even better than ever: writing really strong, eloquent, lucid, lyrical, long-lined themes. He'd been dong that all along of course, but now it reached an 'all time high', if you'll forgive the joke. Coupled with that particular orchestration he'd fallen for, which was very rich, I think the results were both astonishing and defining. At least in terms of "non action music". (Goldsmith, Williams and Silvestri were still gods in the high-energy movie arena, an arena Barry wasn't designed for.)

Now: Golden Child.

Okay, it's not in the super-echelons of Somewhere In Time and Out Of Africa and in many ways, it is Barry doing a Barry routine rather than stretching out to do something different. Fair enough. However, I think the Golden Child does everything that defined Barry's second coming, with the advantage that the score goes to more musical places than a Frances or an Out Of Africa.

The two major themes (Best Man In The World, Wisdom Of The Ages) are, I think, as good a pair of headliner thermes as anything Barry was writing in this second coming period. Not especially different in terms of style, I agree. Not better. But as good as. They were extremely well composed, very lyrical and, well, to me at least, really quite seductive. And, as Barry does, he weaves those themes throughout the score.

Best Man, set in that orchestration apart from the song, is right up there with Body Heat and Remembering Chet, in terms of being bluesy. (Listening guide: track 3, 4)

Wisdom, when purely orchestral, is knocking right on the door of Barry's other lyrical love theme powerhouses of the era including All Time High. (Listening guide: track 25)

And then there 's the "little bird" theme, one of those typical Barry ostinatos that subtly escapes resolution each time it repeats, thereby drawing you in for it's grand brass statements. (Listening guide: track 7, but also second half of track 1.)

I find the "Sardo" (guide: track 1, but especially track 16) and "Sardo's Men" (track 1) theme really quite addictive. This is the different one. This is the principal 'jeopardy' theme. It's simple but very deep sounding and ominous. Okay, it partially recycles a theme from My Sister's Keeper (the 'underlay' is the same as the recurring 'panic' music from MSK, just played slower.) But it is very effective in my opinion.

I find the 'action' pieces to be really quite engaging too. Remember: Barry never wrote action music like the rest of Hollywood. Rather than go fast and noisy, his music stands back, stays lucid and simply moves to a higher energy level, which basically means higher octaves, sharp staccato statements and bigger sound. But I LIKE that. I've never got on with hurry-hurry, chattery, lurches-left-and-right music. But y'know what? Even though Barry isn't a hurry-hurry composer, the 'action' pieces here are hardly static. They do have a pace and rhythm. (Listening gude: 22)

There are various places which are not exactly thematic, but where he makes the kind of grand statements we love John Barry for. There's that big, cavernous John Barry strings-and-brass sweep (track 17, latter part). There are Bondian statements (track 11, 21 and, in a different way, but especially, track 23)

And then there's that joyous 10-minute finale track (24) which is a potpourri of ALL the above.

I have always adored the way John Barry makes the settings and drama larger than life but makes the characters within it intimate. It's one of his defining fortés. It's certainly the defining forté or Out Of Africa and Dances With Wolves and he does it again here.

In short ...

Multiple themes, all very typical, well-composed, good Barry 1980s-era themes in my opinion.

Multiple moods - mysticism, love, jeopardy, action

Rich in typical Barry sound - which means if you like Barry's sound, it's here

Even shorter still ...

If you like what Barry was doing in that particular era of his work, in terms of how he was writing themes and the kinds of statements he was using, well he's doing it all here and doing it well, I think.

Okay, it didn't fit in the movie and Colombier's score is brilliant in it's own way. But as someone who regards things like Somewhere In Time, Body Heat and Out Of Africa as his favourite 'kind' of film music, The Golden Child is a wonderful score which continues those traditions.

I've had the score pretty much on a continuous loop for a week. I can't get enough of it.

Just my opinion, of course, but I did want to speak up for it.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2011 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   howardtduck   (Member)

He had just won an academy award and had his choice of movie assignments,and picked these 2 blockbusters,Howard The Duck + The Golden Child

This is,in fact,the last John Barry score

one plus about disc 2,it has a pretty picture on it razz

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2011 - 8:00 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

This is,in fact,the last John Barry score

Just curious: why do you say "last"?

The Living Daylights and Dances With Wolves (not to mention Chaplin, Playing By Heart, etc) don't count because ... ?

P.S. Agree about the picture on disc 2!

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2011 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   howardtduck   (Member)

Hi Stephan,I meant,the last new score i m going to hear,everything else is known (except maybe First Love ? ) but all the traits,sweeping melody's and such are here, and it is the last time it's going to happen.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2011 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

In addition to First Love (thread here: http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=75790&forumID=1&archive=0), the following rejected Barry scores haven't been released in any format that I know of:

Promise Her Anything (1965)
Sinful Davy (1967, but apparently these recordings are long lost)
The Bunker (1981)
Stella (1990)
The Prince of Tides (1991)
The Bodyguard (1992)
Year of the Comet (1992)
Goodbye Lover (1997)
The Horse Whisperer (1997)

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2011 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

And while I'm at it, Barry's "The Golden Child" is a marvelous score! One of his very, very best from the eighties.

 
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