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Very interesting take on things... The results would have been amazing... I think the first to come to mind would have been the Goldsmith take on the JB theme... After that... let us face facts, Goldsmith excelled in action scoring. Bond would have push him to his limits and beyond. Another angle would be the "villain" themes. Ahhhhh... what could have been (maybe)...
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He did.
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Perhaps the U.N.C.L.E. scores might provide some clues.
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I remember him being asked about this once (late 90s, I think) and he said "Nobody but John Barry should score James Bond films."
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What would happen if Jerry Goldsmith had scored a James Bond film (though he came close with the two Flint films)? The standard of the Bond scores would have been an infinitely higher than the actual*, even though I'd admit the Bond films often brought out the best in John Barry, so Jerry was probably right that they'd best be left to him. * And much different, too: While JG was a fine composer of jazz, too, he would have taken a different direction, towards modern, more experimental orchestral music, especially if he had scored the late 60s, early 70s Bonds.
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FYI, The closest he came to doing a "Bond-Type Score" would be OUR MAN FLINT IN LIKE FLINT and SEBASTIAN I'm sure he would have done a great job. Ford A. Thaxton
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No Goldfinger? No You Only Live Twice? No OHMSS? Hard to imagine how that would have led to a richer film music universe. If James Bond films had been scored with common 'action' music, they would have become indistinct. Barry might not be your favourite composer, you might like Goldsmith better, but the Bond films are the one thing I think he was truly irreplaceable on. Of course, some people think Jerry Goldsmith was better than everyone else at every type of film and every type of film music. Not so. Others have their niches and strengths. The two types of film Barry did better were the Bond films (not 'sixties action films', Bond films) and films like Somewhere In Time and Out Of Africa. At least give Barry due credit for something. I do think Goldsmith would have done a great job in his own way. He always does. I'm not putting him down. He's my second favourite composer, after all, and I'm very passionate about many of his works. Very passionate. I just can't see how he'd have created greater classics that Goldfinger, You Only Live Twice, etc. In short, a film music universe where there was no Barry Bond scores would be much poorer than the one we have. Cheers
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No Goldfinger? No You Only Live Twice? No OHMSS? Hard to imagine how that would have led to a richer film music universe. If James Bond films had been scored with common 'action' music, they would have become indistinct. Barry might not be your favourite composer, you might like Goldsmith better, but the Bond films are the one thing I think he was truly irreplaceable on. Of course, some people think Jerry Goldsmith was better than everyone else at every type of film and every type of film music. Not so. Others have their niches and strengths. The two types of film Barry did better were the Bond films (not 'sixties action films', Bond films) and films like Somewhere In Time and Out Of Africa. At least give Barry due credit for something. I do think Goldsmith would have done a great job in his own way. He always does. I'm not putting him down. He's my second favourite composer, after all, and I'm very passionate about many of his works. Very passionate. I just can't see how he'd have created greater classics that Goldfinger, You Only Live Twice, etc. In short, a film music universe where there was no Barry Bond scores would be much poorer than the one we have. Cheers Couldn't have said it better.
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If he had scored just one James Bond film (say, The Spy Who Loved Me), rather than become *the* James Bond composer, again, I think he would have written a terrific score, but it wouldn't have sounded like James Bond. And I think it would set up direct comparisons with Barry, on Barry's home turf, which he might not have enjoyed. That's probably why he didn't do it. He recognised he was better off doing his own thing. Cheers
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Aug 12, 2011 - 2:44 AM
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If Goldsmith had scored a James Bond movie, I don't think Sean Connery would have hugged Goldsmith (as he did after the FIRST KNIGHT recordings). Besides, weren't both Sean Connery and John Barry sick of the James Bond franchise (typcasting, for example)? The highest quality films that John Barry scored were the '60s monochrome pictures, like SEANCE ON A WET AFTERNOON, FOUR IN THE MORNING, THE WHISPERERS, DUTCHMAN. I'd prefer to have an alternate universe in which no James Bond movies existed. Regarding espionage, it was best served by bleak films like THE SPY WHO CAME IN FROM THE COLD, and I'd rank Patrick McGoohan's DANGER MAN series as the best speciment in this category. So ... if James Bond must exist, I want Bond to be scored in the alternate universe by Edwin Astley and/or Sol Kaplan!
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Which reminds me of a possible stumbling block that could have kept JG outside the Bond franchise: Jerry was not a great song composer. I like the SUM OF ALL FEARS theme, too, but that's not a Bond song by any stretch of the imagination. His other songs, well. Let me say I still got nightmares occasionally from "Flying Dreams"...
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Aug 12, 2011 - 3:47 AM
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Jehannum
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No Goldfinger? No You Only Live Twice? No OHMSS? Hard to imagine how that would have led to a richer film music universe. If James Bond films had been scored with common 'action' music, they would have become indistinct. Barry might not be your favourite composer, you might like Goldsmith better, but the Bond films are the one thing I think he was truly irreplaceable on. Of course, some people think Jerry Goldsmith was better than everyone else at every type of film and every type of film music. Not so. Others have their niches and strengths. The two types of film Barry did better were the Bond films (not 'sixties action films', Bond films) and films like Somewhere In Time and Out Of Africa. At least give Barry due credit for something. I do think Goldsmith would have done a great job in his own way. He always does. I'm not putting him down. He's my second favourite composer, after all, and I'm very passionate about many of his works. Very passionate. I just can't see how he'd have created greater classics that Goldfinger, You Only Live Twice, etc. In short, a film music universe where there was no Barry Bond scores would be much poorer than the one we have. Cheers Although Goldsmith is my favourite composer I agree with this.
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"Die Another Day" director Lee Tamahori had used Goldsmith on his two previous films, so I've often wondered if they would have teamed up again for the film had it not been for the fact that David Arnold came with the deal, so to speak.
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