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 Posted:   Apr 24, 2002 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   DOGBELLE   (Member)

i like to know how you feel about it.

i have a tape of it. me and my wife enjoy it very much.
typeoooooo on header sorry about that.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2002 - 6:21 PM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

I have the CD. It's not one of my favourite Williams scores; I only bought the CD last year and I've only seen the film once. Bits of it are great, but I can't get too excited about it....

NP: STAR TERK: THE MOTION PICTURE (Goldsmith)

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2002 - 7:02 PM   
 By:   Greg G Phillips   (Member)

Absolutely one of John Williams' most under-rated works. This music is totally wonderful. John Williams is being evocative and progressive and sublime all in one score.
I honestly felt on seeing the movie that John's music TOTALLY eclipsed Spielberg's visuals, they were on 2 different plains.

Get the CD, it's an investment, a totally worthy one

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2002 - 7:22 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Beautiful film
Beautiful music - Mr. Williams won a BAFTA for the score. I think it is the most mature Steven Spielberg film with Schindler's List. Photography by Allen Daviau is first rate among many others great contributions to that film.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2002 - 7:33 PM   
 By:   Michael Ware   (Member)

I loved it, from when Williams seemingly went for big ideas, big statements, big characterisations, big actually-compelling-melodic lines that had flow and momentum, and let it go way loud and romantic. From when the atonal parts had drama and subtlety instead of just piping out loud crashing Harry Pottery and impersonal textural decorations without emotional grounding...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2002 - 11:05 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

The movie was a major surprise of Christmas 1987, a serious effort from Spielberg. I've always thought of it like a doughnut: the first and last sections are wonderful, while all the stuff in the prison camp rambled into cliche' territory. There are still intense sequences I remember: All the English colony in costume on their way through a panic-stricken Shanghai, in as strong a metaphor of people out of touch with reality as I've ever seen. Christian Bale staying forlorn in the house abandoned by his family. That wonderful toy plane landing next to armed Japanese troops. The atomic bomb viewed as a vision of Heaven. And, of course, the most affecting, seeing Bale from his parents' eyes at the end, and realizing how much his experiences have made him unrecognizable.

Loved the score; still play it occasionally. It's lyrical, moving, memorable. It and the film it accompanies have been much underrated.

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2002 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   DOGBELLE   (Member)

thanks guys those were great post.
it is a veery good looking move.
it's the type you have to see in the move house.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2005 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, dogbelle, "let talk"! big grin

I relistened to this yesterday, and it's a fine soundtrack that varies radically in mood. There are a couple of tracks that are more jubilant and upbeat in nature, that sort of celebrate the human spirit (such as "Cadillac in the Skies" and the "Exsultate Justi" pastiche). But for the most part, it's really a profound psychological journey. The music for these passages aren't exactly "horrorey" although they are frequently dissonant. No, I would much rather say that they are "mysterioso" in nature; that they make you step back and LINGER in certain moods with a certain therapeutic effect.

The CD boasts to be "a digital recording", which is hardly impressive by today's standards, so it is actually become dated already.

An underrated gem, both film and score.


 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2005 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   Alexcremers   (Member)

Underrated? I think it's John's best! Jurassic Parkers better stay away from this one.

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Alex Cremers

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2005 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

One of my all time guilty favourites. It actually surprised me as a very serious & a to a degree a stark change from Williams E.T esque scores. I was just marveled by the classical approach in the score. This one is a wonderfull score. I love the finale version of Exsultate Justi, Jims New life,Streets of Shangahi- power action piece!

Laudamus Te, Laudaumas Te!
Exsultate Justi In dominio
Exsultate Domino,

Amer


PS. Another turning point for me in Williams style of composition was JFK, SCHINDLERS LIST & SLEEPERS where williams kept going in really different directions.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2005 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   Kenneth English   (Member)

My all-time favorite John Williams score. I bought this one on cassette tape back in 1987, then on CD in 1990 and haven't grown tired of it yet. Beautiful, transporting music.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2005 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   David in NY   (Member)

'Empire of the Sun' is my FAVORITE Film of all time.(Not the Best Film of all time, just my favorite film!)
I have always liked to think that back in the year it was up for it's numerous Oscar Nomintations, and won none, that a contributing factor in this was this: that the voting member who was aged/and lacked the grey matter got confused. That that year two films were set in China and had the (similar sounding) names of 'EMPEROR' AND 'EMPIRE'. So, perhaps some votes went the way of 'The Last Emperor' instead of to 'Empire of the Sun'. (How else can you figure out how the music of Ryuichi Sakamoto and Cong-Su, nice as it was, beat out this superb John Williams score?)

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2005 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   SheriffJoe   (Member)

Christian Bale's performance in this film absolutely mesmerized me. It was brilliant, from beginning (childhood innocence and naivete) to end (war-torn, disheveled, hallow). The most amazing thing about this film, the one thing that makes it a classic in my eyes, is this:

Jim's parents were a MAJOR part of the entire first half hour of the film. We see them, hear them and watch them as their lives are shattered by the Japanese invasion. Then, they are gone. When they return an hour and a half later, I, like Jim, didn't even recognize them. I had no idea what his parents looked like anymore...it was their shocked attention to him, they recognized his outer shell (barely) and came to him.

It was a seminal moment of filmmaking and storytelling for me...and Williams' sparse music at that moment only added to the emptiness that Bale's performance portrayed.

Absolutley BRILLIANT film and score.

SheriffJoe

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2005 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Alexcremers   (Member)

The most amazing thing about this film, the one thing that makes it a classic in my eyes, is this:

Jim's parents were a MAJOR part of the entire first half hour of the film. We see them, hear them and watch them as their lives are shattered by the Japanese invasion. Then, they are gone. When they return an hour and a half later, I, like Jim, didn't even recognize them. I had no idea what his parents looked like anymore...it was their shocked attention to him, they recognized his outer shell (barely) and came to him.



I can testify to that. I felt exactly the same. Who were these people? One of THE Spielberg scenes in history.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2005 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

I like this one a lot -- some breathtakingly beautiful music that links together with the Chopin wonderfully. And Exultanti Justi is easily one of Williams''s best pieces (incidentl, the local classical station likes to play it)


-Joshua

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2005 - 3:09 PM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

when the film and score were first released I was a tad cold to both -- like the "bookends" of the film start and finish, but the camp (as has already been posted) was slow, and the bomb bit was over the top.

The highlight of the score was "Cad of the Skies." That was about it for me.

Since then this score has grown, and while I don't listen to it a lot, I enjoy it from start to finish. Usually go through it twice -- 1st go round the cd, then 2nd programmed into what I think is the film order.

And I agree, it's one of those different scores by Williams that surprise, and only grow to please more on subsequent listens.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2005 - 3:40 PM   
 By:   Oblicno   (Member)

This is a great score. One of my favourites, and i kick myself i held off buying it for years. Cadillac of the Skies is one of my single favourite pieces of music, a beautiful, soaring effort. This is one of the few albums i can listen to on a loop for hours.

I really enjoy SUO GAN too. Are there any more Welsh Hymns in films? That and Men of Harlech, in Zulu, are excellent, stirring pieces.
Saw the film a few years ago, remember enjoying it but no specifics bar christian bale's escellent performance. And what a great actor he has turned out to be. Just watched the machinist, and he made that film too.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2005 - 5:17 PM   
 By:   spielboy   (Member)

Masterpieces, both score and film.

If only they would have put less EXULTASTE and more UNRELEASED SCORE (like Jim trying to get back to life the chinese boy at the end... Truly heavenly music).

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2005 - 8:07 PM   
 By:   TheSeeker   (Member)

It's my favorite Spielberg film.

It's my favorite Williams score of the 80s.

It contains one of the most exhilarating "Nailing the Moment"-scenes ever..."Cadillac of the Skies".

First-rate stuff, all the way.

N^

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2005 - 8:50 PM   
 By:   Bob Bryden   (Member)

My absolute favourite Spielberg film - and
a top 20 item in my personal John Williams
pantheon. It blew me away in 1987 that reaction
to it was so lukewarm. I believe it's one
of Spielberg's most lucid and consistent films - miles above his usual 'formulas'.
Much less manipulative - even than Schindler's.

 
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