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 Posted:   Sep 20, 2011 - 2:47 PM   
 By:   Montana Dave   (Member)

I totally missed out on The Varese Club version thinking 'it's been released by FSM already so it'll be around for a while'. It wasn't. I guessed wrong on that version. As I've never seen the film before nor heard The FSM Release, I ordered it (fantastic price by the way), and it should arrive in a few days. I'm not counting the Stromberg (?) re-recording because I've heard mention that Alfred Newman's music is near impossible to recreate faithfully, don't know about Hermann's contribution.
For those of you who have both versions, what do you think? I'm not gonna cry because I'm missing what - 30 minutes of additional music on the Varese Club version, there's nothing that can be done about that. But overall, is The FSM Version nearly as good or is it better by not having the additional cues? Perhaps the additional cues were not that important or that impressive (I'd like to think, but I doubt it).
I'm hoping that the FSM version is a more than satisfying listen.



 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2011 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

The FSM is a very satisfying version, as is the excellent Stromberg-Morgan recreation, for those who are not obsessive.

For those of us who are, we can never have enough, so, even though we bought those, we also now have bought the new Varese, too. This version meets our exceptional needs and we can go to sleep at nights knowing we have it all. smile

Of course, even with this release we might wake up in the middle of the night with the nagging feeling that there are some "alternate takes" which are performed slightly differently than those released, and therefore, since we don't have THEM, we then DON'T have it all, so we are left, once again, with an incomplete feeling. This never goes away for any score you love---if you are obsessive.

Thor is probably the only person who sleeps quietly at night.


I suggest, Montana Dave, that you also buy the Twilight Time DVD version of the film currently being offered by SAE.

What a bargain at $20!:

Not only do you get the complete film to watch---one that you've never seen---in a beautiful transfer in CinemaScope and Stereo---but you also get an "extra" of the synced music-only soundtrack to listen to, in stereo, for the entire picture as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2011 - 5:52 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


the FSM version was a brave attempt at the time. However, It cannot compare to nthe new Varese made from newly discovered tracks that are in far better condition than the fsm, there simplyis no comparison.

But be of good cheer, You can tape the music tracks fro the music only track on the dvd. there , the music is edited together correctly, which it is not on the Varese CD, which has a bad stop-start quality. I.E. pieces of music that should be one piece and flow together, frequently do not.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2011 - 7:51 PM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

Well, when it comes to THE EGYPTIAN, I'm a completist; so I have all the recordings, and I have to say the Varese Club version is my favorite.

JoeCaps is right, though, in that the DVD, costing $20, has a music-only track that is quite fine for listening.

But, if you feel that dire need to have the original Varese Club release, I found it on Amazon, if you're interested, though I haven't checked for it lately.

The DVD also has a beautuifully rendered visual of the film, though I don't particularly agree with the commentators, who regard it as an exercise in depression, a kind "film noir" in Color by De Luxe.

Seeing it for the first time, in pan&scan and black&white, on the old NBC "Saturday Night at the Movies" program, back in October of 1962, introduced me to that whole period of Egyptian history, and the heretical pharaoh, Akhnaton, and for that I've always been grateful. I even ended up traveling to Egypt, in the spring of 2008, where, as I went up and down along the fabled Nile, I listened to THE EGYPTIAN on earphones, as I read the novel yet again, all the while occasionally gazing out the window at whatever monuments I was passing.

But that, as they say, is another story....

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2011 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   filmo   (Member)

to montana dave: you can still find the vs deluxe version by going on to the moviemusic.com website store.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2011 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I would highly recommend the VS deluxe version. I had the FSM before that, and although its selection of music is great, the quality and quantity of the latest Varese is way better.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2011 - 4:59 PM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

on the dvd. there , the music is edited together correctly, which it is not on the Varese CD, which has a bad stop-start quality. I.E. pieces of music that should be one piece and flow together, frequently do not.

Yes, I was wondering what people thought of the pauses in, for example, the opening narrative. The smooth flow of original Decca LP is naturally imprinted on my memory, and I imagine that that album's continuity reflects Newman's intentions. But the pauses are a small fault in the essential 2011 release. The earlier FSM nevertheless remains essential, if only for the (naturally!) superior annotation by Bill Whittaker and Lukas Kendall.

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2011 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

to montana dave: you can still find the vs deluxe version by going on to the moviemusic.com website store.

Like many-an-out-of-print title that has been on their website, it is listed as "out of stock" when we press "order now".

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2011 - 9:37 PM   
 By:   Steve Johnson   (Member)

to montana dave: you can still find the vs deluxe version by going on to the moviemusic.com website store.

Like many-an-out-of-print title that has been on their website, it is listed as "out of stock" when we press "order now".


I suppose that's a clinical way of saying "Sold Out".

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2011 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

to montana dave: you can still find the vs deluxe version by going on to the moviemusic.com website store.

Like many-an-out-of-print title that has been on their website, it is listed as "out of stock" when we press "order now".



Colosseum still has it: http://www.colosseum.de/product_info.php/info/p2480_Sinuhe-der---gypter--The-Deluxe-Edition-OT--The-Egyptian.html

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2011 - 8:45 AM   
 By:   Bill Cooke   (Member)



The Varese Deluxe edition is great, but I actually prefer the performances of some of the cues on the old Varese edition of the Newman rerecording.

When I have time, I plan to make my own version, replacing some of the Deluxe tracks.

Every version of THE EGYPYIAN has had something unique to offer.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2011 - 8:49 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


No offense, Bill. but that can hardly be. While the decca Robe was a rerecording, The Egyptian was not, except for two cues - Her Name was Merit and Horemheb, the new pharoah were rerecorded for the lp, but they were the only ones.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2011 - 9:47 AM   
 By:   Bill Cooke   (Member)

Maybe those were the tracks I liked better. I have not done a side by side comparison, but some tracks certainly feel different to me. Maybe different takes were used in some cases?

The Deluxe edition also has one damaged track that fades out before it's complete. It can be heard complete on the old LP recording.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2011 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   shureman   (Member)

I agree with Bill. I, too, am going to make a CD-R with my personal favorite tracks from all 4 CDs. For instance, I actually prefer the old Decca performance of " Nefer, Nefer, Nefer " even over the new Varese one...

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2011 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

If the LP was in fact from the original sessions, why didn't they release it in authentic stereo rather than the fake "rechanneled" version of the 1960s?

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2011 - 10:45 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

If the LP was in fact from the original sessions, why didn't they release it in authentic stereo rather than the fake "rechanneled" version of the 1960s?

Wouldn't the recording master prepared for the LP have been mono because the original issue was in the pre-stereo recording era?

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2011 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   DavidinBerkeley   (Member)

to montana dave: you can still find the vs deluxe version by going on to the moviemusic.com website store.

Like many-an-out-of-print title that has been on their website, it is listed as "out of stock" when we press "order now".



Colosseum still has it: http://www.colosseum.de/product_info.php/info/p2480_Sinuhe-der---gypter--The-Deluxe-Edition-OT--The-Egyptian.html


It's on their website, but there is an itty-bitty box just below the quantity box that says "sold out".

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2011 - 12:35 PM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


It was easier for the LP label, decca records, to rechannel what for them was a minor release by the late 50s and early 60s. much easier than redoing the egyptian from many multi channels.

The only true stereo reissue Decca did, that I can think of, is Picnic.

Some other labels were actually delivered stereo multimchannel masters to mix to mono.
Capitol got stereo tapes of Oklahma, King and I and carousel for the mono releases and just remixed when the time came.

rCA got complete stereo tapes of Raintree County and partially used them for the LP, The two disc lp was mono and the highlights disc, whichcame out later was full stereo.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2011 - 6:24 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....rCA got complete stereo tapes of Raintree County and partially used them for the LP, The two disc lp was mono and the highlights disc, whichcame out later was full stereo.....

It's interesting you bring this up Joe.

When RAINTREE COUNTY premiered in LA in 1957, there was a lot of promo for the film and the score.

On one Sunday afternoon, one of the local radio stations held an interview with Johnny Green talking about the score.....and then the complete full-version of the score was presented, on the radio, IN STEREO!

But, since this was the days before multiplex stereo availability on radio, they used another system where the FM station and the AM sister station each ran one channel of the 2-channel mix to achieve the stereo sound. I can remember scouring the house for an extra AM radio to put a few feet away from our bigger radio-TV system which had the FM component in it. The stereo sound was quite good, and I was thrilled.

Then, I guess it was about 2 years later, Disney did a similar thing (at least in the LA market) when SLEEPING BEAUTY was released. This time it tied into the Disneyland TV show and, I think, an episode about the life of Tschaikovsky.

For this presentation, you left your TV on to watch the episode, and this utilized the sound from the show on the center channel. Then you brought in an FM-tuned radio for the left channel, and an AM-tuned radio for the right channel. Voila! Three-Channel Stereo---mechanically clunky but still fairly impressive home sound for the fifties, when combined with the show's visuals.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2011 - 6:29 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

If the LP was in fact from the original sessions, why didn't they release it in authentic stereo rather than the fake "rechanneled" version of the 1960s?

Stereo LPs were not widely available until the late 1950s. Decca's album was issued in 1954.

 
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