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Lots of Alien 3 and Goldenthal fans here. It's personally my favorite of the films, and my favorite of the scores (only barely though, compared to Jerry's masterpiece). And we've seen amazingly awesome expansions of all of them except 3.
On the new Alien Anthology BluRay set, there is an isolated score for 3. It's pretty great to have all those great cues not on the album, but something is seriously wrong with whatever the source of that audio track is. On lots of cues, it sounds like tape warble, or cracks in the tape, or speed problems every now and then. Also, it sounds very muffled, like an analog copy of an analog copy of a copy, that is also not mastered.
I believe I read here a while ago, that MV (or someone) mentioned at Comic Con "Alien 3's masters are in no shape for an expanded release." Judging by the sound of the isolated score, that appears true. What a major drag for Goldenthal's magnum opus. Does anyone recall this? I searched to no avail.
Some of the greatest missing cues are so brief. The 6M2 "You're Going to Die Too" (Golic) is only :45 seconds, and so ominous and great. The part where the company meets 85 at cue 11M2-12M0 from 2:52-3:22, where he says "she's in the leadworks, with the beast", and these beautifully scary choir voices build up into dissonance chaos is brilliant. And of course, 12M2n3 where Morse sets up the trap, and the strings and horns duel against each other. So great!
With all that being said, I'll take a bit of Thor's side, and say the MCA album is sequenced so well, has all the important themes, and the running order ensures a great listening experience with not too much overlap of recurring pieces. I've read a few Goldenthal interviews where he talks about the importance of a soundtrack album as its own entity, and necessary to edit and sequence artistically, and he certainly achieved it with Alien 3.
And lastly, I absolutely love Elliot's comments on the score from this set. I wish every movie release had a featurette on the score and composer.
http://youtu.be/BVge6EKZXGs
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If the tapes/source are in bad condition, I really wish EG could re-record the complete score.
I personally wouldn't mind an EXPANDED that that has a few more minutes of music left off and the existing work "cleaned up" as certain parts seemed to be cued together and are a bit distracting.
I personally would buy COMPLETE scores for both ALIEN 3 and TITUS.
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Sep 21, 2011 - 9:01 PM
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MikeP
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Everyone knows I hate expanded releases for the most part (as you yourself point out), but I'm afraid I'm even more so in the case of Goldenthal. He's such a musicological composer (weird phrase, I know) that his albums need to be arranged properly for the various, semi-classical setpieces to stand on their own, IMO. So I think the ALIEN 3 album is pretty much perfect the way it is. Plus, there isn't much more music that would add to the existing listening experience, in any case.
I'll agree here. The MCA album is a perfect representation of the score. While being no huge fan of Goldenthal, or of Alien 3 movie or score, the album does take the interesting parts of the score and present them in a cohesive manner. Sounds like the chances are slim of a release in an case, but this is one that doesn't seem to benefit from expansion. But for those who drool for it, i do hope there's better news down the road ! 
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Can't agree here. While the major set pieces are there, the album is lacking some amazing moments and thematic development. The trap building track is probably the most important omission. Bummer that the tapes have gone bad. The quality of the isolated blu-ray score varies a lot from track to track and some music editing is annoying too (worst case being ripleys basement confrontation track), but its at least an option. Can't say i prefer the blu-ray over the album, however i made my own expanded cd from both sources, which i clearly prefer over the album.
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Just watched this tonight and was blown away by the score. The film itself may have its problems, but the 2003 Special Edition is definitely a huge improvement on the theatrical cut.
However, I had completely forgotten how great the score was. Dark, tragic, bombastic and highly emotional. The final Adagio never fails to give me the chills...
...so, how come we haven't seen an expanded version of this epic work?
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All the Alien isolated scores have bad sound - the roll off is around 15khz or something. I dont know if its something to do with Java compression or whatever, but stereo Dolby Digital tracks on DVD go all the way to 20khz. Its weird...
say what????!!!
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I must be cookoo or something because my philosophy is this on expanded scores. I do not hate them, those that I don't need expanded, I'm glad that some are, why? It's pretty unselfish reasons. I think you can make more people happy with expanded scores. WHY? Those that want their original albums can easily make their own 40 minute albums or, trim a playlist down to the exact tracks they want. Also, those that want every note can get it. It seems to be best for everyone if we had expanded scores as everyone can make their own playlist as to what they want, PLUS we can be happy for our fellow collector on them getting all the music they want. Am I the only one who thinks of others in these releases? I'm not that selfish that I say, oh my gosh, I don't like expanded scores and I do not want to have to spend almost 3 minutes of my life to make my own BEST of CDR or playlist.
My way of thinking seems to be out of whack as I think of everyone else so often and my greatest joy is seeing others happy, especially when it comes to my fellow soundtrack friends!
Let's try to think about other people who want every note. Can we be happy for them, even if we do not need an expanded, we can at least say, great for them, that's awesome and for those that don't want expanded, well you can save another few dollars!
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May 28, 2012 - 7:03 AM
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Thor
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I must be cookoo or something because my philosophy is this on expanded scores. I do not hate them, those that I don't need expanded, I'm glad that some are, why? It's pretty unselfish reasons. I think you can make more people happy with expanded scores. WHY? Those that want their original albums can easily make their own 40 minute albums or, trim a playlist down to the exact tracks they want. Also, those that want every note can get it. It seems to be best for everyone if we had expanded scores as everyone can make their own playlist as to what they want, PLUS we can be happy for our fellow collector on them getting all the music they want. Am I the only one who thinks of others in these releases? I'm not that selfish that I say, oh my gosh, I don't like expanded scores and I do not want to have to spend almost 3 minutes of my life to make my own BEST of CDR or playlist.
My way of thinking seems to be out of whack as I think of everyone else so often and my greatest joy is seeing others happy, especially when it comes to my fellow soundtrack friends!
Let's try to think about other people who want every note. Can we be happy for them, even if we do not need an expanded, we can at least say, great for them, that's awesome and for those that don't want expanded, well you can save another few dollars!
I don't know if you're adressing me or the topic in general, but my earlier post in this thread was made back in 2011, and I've hardly said a thing about my negative feelings for the C&C since then (much to the delight of the crowd here, I would hope), but as far as making a 'best of' playlist, that's not really what I - personally - am into this thing for. I'm not going to say more than that other than to post this FAQ I made awhile back (for convenience):
http://www.celluloidtunes.net/non-website/faq.jpg
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I must be cookoo or something because my philosophy is this on expanded scores. I do not hate them, those that I don't need expanded, I'm glad that some are, why? It's pretty unselfish reasons. I think you can make more people happy with expanded scores. WHY? Those that want their original albums can easily make their own 40 minute albums or, trim a playlist down to the exact tracks they want. Also, those that want every note can get it. It seems to be best for everyone if we had expanded scores as everyone can make their own playlist as to what they want, PLUS we can be happy for our fellow collector on them getting all the music they want. Am I the only one who thinks of others in these releases? I'm not that selfish that I say, oh my gosh, I don't like expanded scores and I do not want to have to spend almost 3 minutes of my life to make my own BEST of CDR or playlist.
My way of thinking seems to be out of whack as I think of everyone else so often and my greatest joy is seeing others happy, especially when it comes to my fellow soundtrack friends!
Let's try to think about other people who want every note. Can we be happy for them, even if we do not need an expanded, we can at least say, great for them, that's awesome and for those that don't want expanded, well you can save another few dollars!
It wasn't directed at you Thor, just folks who, are so persistent on no expanded scores. Some folks, they almost seem pissed off that some label will put out an expanded score. I don't understand why someone would be so upset over it, so you don't buy it, you save $20, great. Have we all gotten so lazy we can't make our own playlist or what not. Seems to me we've had so many great things hand delivered to us on a silver platter that that's now what we expect. And by playlist, that can be an itunes list or going through and ripping just the tracks you want and making your own best of CDR etc.
I wish we could hear more of this..."ohh an expanded blah blah blah, well I'm not really a fan, but there are a few tracks I've wanted, glad those that wanted it can not get it and once I get it, I don't mind spending a few minutes and just getting the few extra tracks I want and putting them altogether for my own listening pleasure."
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May 28, 2012 - 8:09 AM
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Thor
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It wasn't directed at you Thor, just folks who, are so persistent on no expanded scores. Some folks, they almost seem pissed off that some label will put out an expanded score. I don't understand why someone would be so upset over it, so you don't buy it, you save $20, great.
On that, I agree. If there's already a perfectly fine soundtrack of the score out there (in sound, performance, presentation etc.), there's no need to go ballistic. Just stick to that and don't buy the expanded. Of course, if no such album exists, the situation is a bit different, but in any case -- people should just say whatever they feel like, as long as it's polite and constructive. That's my life mantra!
Getting back to ALIEN 3, here's actually a rare case where I have some sort of preference of a film cue over the album cue, namely the sprinkler music. Far more aggressive and in-your-face and just spine-chillingly beautiful in the film, a bit more lackluster on album (but still rewarding).
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I'll upload it soon.