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 Posted:   Oct 21, 2011 - 4:07 AM   
 By:   Juan Carlos García Cortés   (Member)

May be some film jazz "aficionado" is interested in this 5 CD box:

Jazz on Film: Film Noir [Box set, Limited Edition, Original recording remastered, Soundtrack]

Alex North (Composer), Leith Stevens (Composer), Elmer Bernstein (Composer), Henry Mancini (Composer), Duke Ellington (Composer), et al. | Format: Audio CD

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jazz-Film-Noir-Alex-North/dp/tracks/B005FGSYFW/ref=dp_tracks_all_1#disc_1

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2011 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Hmmm. No label information. Could be suspect.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2011 - 2:02 PM   
 By:   manderley   (Member)

.....Hmmm. No label information. Could be suspect.....


With a label named "Moochin About," I'd say it IS suspect. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2011 - 8:18 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

Almost certainly stuff that's PD in Europe.

 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2011 - 8:56 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Much of this material (with the exception of STREETCAR) has been recently available on el, Fresh Sound and Blue Moon labels, primarily jazz labels which may be interrelated, I'm not sure. I have some of these titles and although I don't know whether they are what we would consider legitimate here, the music has been remastered with great care and the sound is amazing. "Moochin About" is not one of the labels on the Fresh Sound website so I don't know if they are related to the others I mentioned, but a decent sounding STREETCAR would almost be enough to persuade me to buy it. Despite the label's funny name, there is no specific information I could see to suggest it's improper.

EDIT: Found this listed on Amazon U.S. -- you can listen to the samples. (Looks to me very much like a Fresh Sound offshoot.) The MAN WITH THE GOLDEN ARM samples are the same as my Fresh Sound release of this title, i.e. the best quality sound I've ever heard for this music.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005VD6CPS/ref=dm_sp_alb?ie=UTF8&qid=1319256063&sr=1-2-catcorr

Note that release date is in November 2011 and this is mp3 format and not CD. I'll keep looking for a U. S. CD release.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2011 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

I didn't see sound samples at the provided link. It's likely that the Alex North tracks that open disc1 are from North of Hollywood, which has been available from RCA Spain before. I doubt they're from the movie.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2011 - 7:16 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I didn't see sound samples at the provided link. It's likely that the Alex North tracks that open disc1 are from North of Hollywood, which has been available from RCA Spain before. I doubt they're from the movie.

Check my link right above your post. I do believe they are from the OST.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2011 - 7:22 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

It's not hard to understand. If this company is indeed in Europe, they are within their rights to take the Fresh Sound CD and copy it wholesale - same with any other CDs of this music. Otherwise their option is vinyl.

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2011 - 6:56 AM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

Checked the samples, which is sometimes an issue for me since I use VMs to hang on our FSM board, and I don't do add-on's.

Anyway, sounds like the real deal to me. It's not tracks from North of Hollywood, which were re-recordings, as I assumed.

The few Fresh Sounds CDs I have sound very good => Touch of Evil, North of Hollywood, Sweet Smell of Success, Man with the Golden Arm. Maybe this set is compiled from those former remastered releases.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2011 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I think the Fresh Sound release of "Touch of Evil" is terrible. In addition to mixing up the tune titles and omitting "Susan," an INSANE amount of no-noise was applied, along with fake stereo. I have no issues with no-noise and fake-stereo ambiance when used reasonably and tastefully, but this one really crosses the line. I'll take the Varese CD over this one.

Do all the discs in this set also feature ridiculous no-noising?

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2011 - 8:28 AM   
 By:   lexedo   (Member)

I believe your opinion would be in the minority relative to the fidelity of the Fresh Sounds CDs.

No worries, listen to what you prefer to listen to dude. The VCL Touch of Evil can be had cheaply for sure.

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2011 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

I believe your opinion would be in the minority relative to the fidelity of the Fresh Sounds CDs.

No worries, listen to what you prefer to listen to dude. The VCL Touch of Evil can be had cheaply for sure.


So far I've had nothing but good experiences with Fresh Sound CDs, so I'll have to chime in with lexedo on this.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2011 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

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 Posted:   Oct 23, 2011 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

To each his own. I kept the Varese Touch of Evil and unloaded the Fresh Sounds. The latter sounded like it was being suffocated with a pillow, to my ears at least. The Varese version, despite the hiss, has some air and space.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 4, 2011 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Selwyn Harris   (Member)

Just to clear up a few issues raised on this discussion.

The 5-CD box set has been digitally remastered professionally to a very high level and the sources are all the original soundtracks. Moochin about is a 'non-dodgy' ;-) label from London. I have written the 52-page booklet which is an extension of a Jazz on Film column I write for the UK's biggest specialist Jazz Magazine Jazzwise, who have endorsed the set.

Sounds like a couple of you are listening to digital samples but if you're interested in purchasing the box, it's available on Amazon UK, Discovery (the UK distributors), HMV and a load of other outlets or the website at www.moochinabout.com where you can get more details.

 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2011 - 5:38 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

I already own almost all of them separately but this combo release is pretty fascinating anyway.

As expected, the best jazz soundtrack ever is absent (and I mean the best NOIR jazz soundtrack): I WANT TO LIVE by Johnny Mandel.
When you listen to this Mandel's masterpiece you realize that when somebody splits "real jazz" from "movie jazz" don't know what they're talking about at all.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2011 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Just to clear up a few issues raised on this discussion.

The 5-CD box set has been digitally remastered professionally to a very high level and the sources are all the original soundtracks. Moochin about is a 'non-dodgy' ;-) label from London. I have written the 52-page booklet which is an extension of a Jazz on Film column I write for the UK's biggest specialist Jazz Magazine Jazzwise, who have endorsed the set.

Sounds like a couple of you are listening to digital samples but if you're interested in purchasing the box, it's available on Amazon UK, Discovery (the UK distributors), HMV and a load of other outlets or the website at www.moochinabout.com where you can get more details.


Thanks -- information much appreciated! I couldn't imagine that this was anything but legitimate, given the care and up-front expense invested in producing such a high quality release. I am weighing the pros and cons of ordering it -- I have much of this material already, in re-mastered form, but STREETCAR, which previously had really never been given a quality release, makes me consider doing so anyway. I think those of us who prefer original recordings over re-recordings must accept the inherent limitations in STREETCAR, given that nearly 60 years have passed since the recordings were made. Not likely that it will ever sound better than what we have here, and that's a consideration.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2011 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

As expected, the best jazz soundtrack ever is absent (and I mean the best NOIR jazz soundtrack): I WANT TO LIVE by Johnny Mandel.


The Moochin About website says that "The second box to be released early next year, provisionally titled The Rebels and the Beats, will feature scores from the films "The Wild One," "I Want To Live!," "Crime In the Streets," "The Subterraneans," and "The Connection."

So, it looks like that box set will be ripping off previous CDs issued by Fresh Sound ("The Wild One"), Rykodisc ("I Want To Live!"), Varese Sarabande ("Crime In the Streets"), Sony/FSM ("The Subterraneans") and Universal France ("The Connection").

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2011 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

As expected, the best jazz soundtrack ever is absent (and I mean the best NOIR jazz soundtrack): I WANT TO LIVE by Johnny Mandel.


The Moochin About website says that "The second box to be released early next year, provisionally titled The Rebels and the Beats, will feature scores from the films "The Wild One," "I Want To Live!," "Crime In the Streets," "The Subterraneans," and "The Connection."

So, it looks like that box set will be ripping off previous CDs issued by Fresh Sound ("The Wild One"), Rykodisc ("I Want To Live!"), Varese Sarabande ("Crime In the Streets"), Sony/FSM ("The Subterraneans") and Universal France ("The Connection").


Not sure why you say "ripping off," Bob. Some of that content is OOP or difficult to get, and it's being made available again, probably with re-mastered sound. "Ripping off" has a highly pejorative connotation, implying that theft is occurring. You have some information about that?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2011 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

So, it looks like that box set will be ripping off previous CDs issued by Fresh Sound ("The Wild One"), Rykodisc ("I Want To Live!"), Varese Sarabande ("Crime In the Streets"), Sony/FSM ("The Subterraneans") and Universal France ("The Connection").

Not sure why you say "ripping off," Bob. Some of that content is OOP or difficult to get, and it's being made available again, probably with re-mastered sound. "Ripping off" has a highly pejorative connotation, implying that theft is occurring. You have some information about that?



Well, the new box set will most likely be compiled by "ripping" the tracks off of the previously issued CDs. No legal theft of course, just an unlicensed product made from sources other than the original tapes.

 
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