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 Posted:   Nov 6, 2011 - 6:07 PM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

This is not a Hanzimmer bash thread.

YOR just want to know somethings, honestly:

Is Hanzimmer really trainned in music composition like, lets say, John Williams or Ennio Morricone?

Did he attended to some music school/university?

If the answer is yes, which one?

If the answer is no, how he manages to compose his scores?

Can someone enlight YOR on this matter?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 3:25 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Well, it would perhaps be a start if you could at least type his name correctly.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   Moonfleet   (Member)

Yes. His name is actually HansZither, and everything he does is just a re-working of the main theme from The Third Man[/i[.

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 5:52 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

No one can answer YOR questions?

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 6:04 AM   
 By:   goldsmith-rulez   (Member)

Is Hanzimmer really trainned in music composition like, lets say, John Williams or Ennio Morricone?

Did he attended to some music school/university?


No, he's not an academically trained composer. He played keyboards with a few pop groups earlier in his life, then assisted Stanley Myers on the electronic parts of some of Myers's scores. From him he got some training in film music.

Zimmer is a shrewd businessman and quite the spotter of other people's talent, so he surrounded himself with some trained composers who work out the nuts and bolts of what Hansi hammers into his keyboard.

Also, from what I've heard from a friend who met Zimmer in 1990 in Munich while he was working on House of Spirits, he's quite a charismatic and nice guy.

Neither makes him an interesting composer. In fact, he's the nemesis of good film music, and much of what's wrong these days about commercial film music - he's responsible for it. He has shown some good "instinct" on dramatically viable music in so9me of his scores (usually, the non-symphonic ones) though.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 6:05 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

From what I know he isn't trained musically and I had listened to an interview too that he said it.
I remember that the question of the interviewer was about what advice he would give to new composers.
And he replied that since a man from Germany without any musical training made it to Hollywood (meaning himself), then anyone could make it..

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   Tobias   (Member)

If my memory is correct I think Tony Scott wanted to hire him on Beverly Hills Cop 2 (could have been another movie though) and when he mentioned Hans Zimmer`s name to the producers they responded with Hans Who?

Being a composer without any classical training/background and now being one of the few film music composers that people who normally do not listen to scores do know who that is I think he did a pretty good work. However the fact that some of his scores aren`t any favorites among most of film music fans is a another thing.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

By the way, I think Danny Elfman too isn't academically trained musically, and his work is exceptional!

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Thanks for the input friends.

YOR agrees 100% that Hanzimer is personally responsable for turning the art of film music into a hack job!

And what makes YOR cringes even more is the fact that real musicians like Patrick Doyle and Brian Tyler are now being forced to creat music in the "Zimmer Sound Wall" style!

How lame is that??

Are all movie directors nowadays completely deaf for film music??

And how come someono like Spielberg, who worked all his life with master John Williams, hire Hanzimer and his clones to creat sound wall to movies made by his Dreamworks is beyond YOR compreheension...

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 6:34 AM   
 By:   KonstantinosZ   (Member)

well, many producers and directors in the old days were very knowledgable about music too.

For example, I was impressed when i read in the liner notes of Home Alone that the producers asked for a score along the lines of Prokofiev etc.
I'm not sure if today any new producers and directors know at all the work of Prokofiev or other classical composers..

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 6:39 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

But, come on, Spielberg should know about film music better, yes?

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 6:46 AM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

And how come someono like Spielberg, who worked all his life with master John Williams, hire Hanzimer and his clones to creat sound wall to movies made by his Dreamworks is beyond YOR compreheension...

I'd say that was more Jeffrey Katzenberg's call. Zimmer did THE LION KING for Disney under Katzenberg, and Zimmer and his proteges mostly work on the animated films at Dreamworks (which is Katzenberg's domain rather than Spielberg's).

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 7:02 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Thanks for the input friends.

YOR agrees 100% that Hanzimer is personally responsable for turning the art of film music into a hack job!

And what makes YOR cringes even more is the fact that real musicians like Patrick Doyle and Brian Tyler are now being forced to creat music in the "Zimmer Sound Wall" style!

How lame is that??

Are all movie directors nowadays completely deaf for film music??

And how come someono like Spielberg, who worked all his life with master John Williams, hire Hanzimer and his clones to creat sound wall to movies made by his Dreamworks is beyond YOR compreheension...


So....you start a thread by saying "This is not a Hanzimmer (sic.) bash thread" and then you proceed with a post like that? Uncool, bro.

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

I'd say that was more Jeffrey Katzenberg's call. Zimmer did THE LION KING for Disney under Katzenberg, and Zimmer and his proteges mostly work on the animated films at Dreamworks (which is Katzenberg's domain rather than Spielberg's).

So this guy doesn't understand anything about film music, yes?

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 7:07 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

So....you start a thread by saying "This is not a Hanzimmer (sic.) bash thread" and then you proceed with a post like that? Uncool, bro.

It's just YOR's opinion based upon the information that was disclosured on the topic. YOR is sorry if it offended you, bro.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)


How lame is that??



There are things that are far more lame.

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 7:26 AM   
 By:   goldsmith-rulez   (Member)

well, many producers and directors in the old days were very knowledgable about music too.

For example, I was impressed when i read in the liner notes of Home Alone that the producers asked for a score along the lines of Prokofiev etc.


LOL! And sure enough, they got it! smile

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

There are things that are far more lame.


Concerning the art of film music, no.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   reneintoys   (Member)

YOR an A..hole Bro, sorry but do your homework before posting rubbish, Wikipedia is not only for the fools but also for you allmighty YOR, trust me on this!!

 
 Posted:   Nov 7, 2011 - 7:33 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Yor an A..hole Bro, sorry but do your homework before posting rubbish, Wikipedia is not only for the fools but also for you YOR, trust me on this!!

This text is incompreensible. Can someone translate?

 
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