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 Posted:   Sep 12, 2012 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   Penelope Pineapple   (Member)

What's the verdict, Ms. Pineapple?

Ha! I was going to post earlier this morning but needed a bit longer to shake the cobwebs out of my head....

As expected, I love it. I'm not sure how I'd rank it against his other works yet (and I'm seeking out his compostions that you mentioned earlier to listen to). It's definitely a little 'different' than I was expecting; not in a bad a way, though. He seems to be stretching his typical style out a little, and that's a good thing.

There's a classical music-vibe to it which I was not expecting, but I'm enjoying hearing his interpretations of that "sound." Is it me or is he using more woodwinds on this album? They definitely lend a more exotic sound to the overall score. I really dig the cue with the organ on it. This morning I thought I could hear a little Gyorgy Ligeti influence creeping in (always nice!). Part of me feels that some of it stylistically harkens back to BODYSONG. (Maybe it's just the song structures?)

My only gripe is the inclusion of some film dialog on "Able-Bodied Seamen." I'm curious why he included it as it's so brief. As for the period music included on the album, I love it. The songs blend perfectly with his score.

I've only listened to it four times, and plan to listen to it more attentively over the weekend to try and add some more shape to my initial impressions.... Of course, after hearing this, the question I keep asking myself is, "why is this guy not getting more coverage?" So many people complain that no good film music is being created and that there's no good young composers today...and here Jonny Greenwood is with nary a mediocre score to his name! He's like the best kept secret!

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2012 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   Penelope Pineapple   (Member)

New interview with Greenwood, "Radiohead Guitarist Adapts To Life In Widescreen":

http://www.npr.org/2012/09/15/161143679/radioheads-guitarist-adapts-to-life-in-widescreen

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2012 - 11:35 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Young   (Member)

Sounds very enticing. I just hope there is more original Greenwood in "The Master" than the huge amount of what sounded like temp track scoring utilizing modern classical pieces in "There Will Be Blood." I'll be seeing this film this weekend - it looks like it will be fascinating, even though the only PTA movie I've enjoyed up to this point is "Magnolia."

 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2012 - 1:07 AM   
 By:   Rubyglass   (Member)

Sounds very enticing. I just hope there is more original Greenwood in "The Master" than the huge amount of what sounded like temp track scoring utilizing modern classical pieces in "There Will Be Blood." I'll be seeing this film this weekend - it looks like it will be fascinating, even though the only PTA movie I've enjoyed up to this point is "Magnolia."

confused

The only classical pieces in There Will Be Blood not by Greenwood are Brahms's Violin Concerto in D Major and Arvo Pärt's Fratres? And they're both used relatively briefly.

 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2012 - 11:15 AM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Sounds very enticing. I just hope there is more original Greenwood in "The Master" than the huge amount of what sounded like temp track scoring utilizing modern classical pieces in "There Will Be Blood." I'll be seeing this film this weekend - it looks like it will be fascinating, even though the only PTA movie I've enjoyed up to this point is "Magnolia."

confused

The only classical pieces in There Will Be Blood not by Greenwood are Brahms's Violin Concerto in D Major and Arvo Pärt's Fratres? And they're both used relatively briefly.


If there is one score of recent memory that seemed to completely avoid the idea of sounding like a temp track, it is There Will Be Blood.

 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2012 - 11:12 PM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

Sounds wonderful! Might be the most interesting score of the year.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 19, 2012 - 11:29 PM   
 By:   franz_conrad   (Member)



If there is one score of recent memory that seemed to completely avoid the idea of sounding like a temp track, it is There Will Be Blood.


Wasn't Greenwood's own piece, 'Popcorn Superhet Receiver', the temp track? (Sections of the score rework it.)

 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2012 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)


I'm apt to agree with Mr. Coscina and Mr. Advise & Consent. So much so that it would be difficult to describe a recent score by JNH as anything other than generic. A great composer, he most certainly is, but often I find myself wondering if he's even interested in the profession anymore.


I'm inclined to agree with you.

-Erik-

 
 Posted:   Sep 23, 2012 - 3:42 PM   
 By:   Rubyglass   (Member)

There were some hauntingly beautiful cues in the film that didn't make it onto the soundtrack for reasons I cannot possibly understand.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2012 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

There were some hauntingly beautiful cues in the film that didn't make it onto the soundtrack for reasons I cannot possibly understand.

Saw the movie. Compelling performances. Some splendid images and design. Interesting subject. Overlong and unfocused in the final part. The score was at least different. Not "generic," I agree. Not sure how it served the film. Help me out here. It's my first exposure to Greenwood. I'm assuming that Radiohead is a pop group, right?

P.S. I think the above quotation means that the cues ARE on the soundtrack but are missing from the album. It's interesting how usage has shifted in recent years.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2012 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

I wouldn't call Radiohead a "pop group," but Greenwood has all but abandoned his guitar* for the ondes Martenot and orchestrations.

http://youtu.be/lAF8D0ugyVk

http://youtu.be/s2VzLn6DMCE

http://youtu.be/qoyN7zTvG58

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2012 - 5:30 PM   
 By:   GlassFan   (Member)

Oh c'mon. Radiohead is totally a pop group.

To stay on point The Master isn't that great of a score. There Will Be Blood is great as a sort of one shot thing. This time, much less successfully he does rewarding is his schtick. If this sort of random "modern" thing is gonna be his thing-it's going to sound more and more like amateur conservatory submissions. Imitating concert music rather than writing real concert music.

And for those who would want to argue that this is a sort of concert music, then it's derivative easy listening.

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2012 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   Penelope Pineapple   (Member)

Oh c'mon. Radiohead is totally a pop group.

To stay on point The Master isn't that great of a score. There Will Be Blood is great as a sort of one shot thing. This time, much less successfully he does rewarding is his schtick. If this sort of random "modern" thing is gonna be his thing-it's going to sound more and more like amateur conservatory submissions. Imitating concert music rather than writing real concert music.

And for those who would want to argue that this is a sort of concert music, then it's derivative easy listening.


You have got to be kidding, right? Radiohead -- a "pop group"? Hardly. His score for THE MASTER is "derivative easy listening"? Let me guess, you're not a fan of the Beatles and their black death metal-sound, either, are you? If this is Jonny Greenwood's "schtick," then I will gladly suffer it so long as he continues to write it. roll eyes

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2012 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   Penelope Pineapple   (Member)

There were some hauntingly beautiful cues in the film that didn't make it onto the soundtrack for reasons I cannot possibly understand.

I think there were two.... I saw your post before the film so I tried to keep an ear out for it. They would have fit right in on the release. Is all of this music original for the film? Could he have left them off in order to qualify the score for awards considerations?

 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2012 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   Rubyglass   (Member)

To stay on point The Master isn't that great of a score. There Will Be Blood is great as a sort of one shot thing. This time, much less successfully he does rewarding is his schtick. If this sort of random "modern" thing is gonna be his thing-it's going to sound more and more like amateur conservatory submissions. Imitating concert music rather than writing real concert music.

And for those who would want to argue that this is a sort of concert music, then it's derivative easy listening.


This is all pretty rich coming from someone called "GlassFan".


I think there were two.... I saw your post before the film so I tried to keep an ear out for it. They would have fit right in on the release. Is all of this music original for the film? Could he have left them off in order to qualify the score for awards considerations?

The two missing cues were definitely original to the film, whereas Overtones and Baton Sparks on the actual OST are from 48 Responses to Polymorphia.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2012 - 6:46 PM   
 By:   GlassFan   (Member)

The Master is not Greenwood's best. He and Reznor are the current darlings. No matter what they do will be up for awards. Music wise though, it's not his best. In the Master , He's got that one sort of string F chord which plays during any moment of love. And the contrary motion harps with that unhinged clarinet thing for Freddie's unhinged mentality, get it?. It's like two found objects-not astute film composing.

In the same breath I would say Glass is not a good film composer. Hes one of the great composers, but he can't bend himself to a schmaltzy love scene or most other generic movie archetypes. Just picture Philip Glass getting The Lord of the Rings gig.

I'm a fan of film scoring. Greenwood's imitation modem classical schtick worked once to great effect. But it's getting old quick. Just like Reznor doing his droning crap. What happens when he's into his fifth or tenth film still doing that amateur droning crap?



 
 Posted:   Sep 30, 2012 - 7:41 PM   
 By:   Rubyglass   (Member)

The Master is not Greenwood's best. He and Reznor are the current darlings. No matter what they do will be up for awards. Music wise though, it's not his best. In the Master , He's got that one sort of string F chord which plays during any moment of love. And the contrary motion harps with that unhinged clarinet thing for Freddie's unhinged mentality, get it?. It's like two found objects-not astute film composing.

In the same breath I would say Glass is not a good film composer. Hes one of the great composers, but he can't bend himself to a schmaltzy love scene or most other generic movie archetypes. Just picture Philip Glass getting The Lord of the Rings gig.

I'm a fan of film scoring. Greenwood's imitation modem classical schtick worked once to great effect. But it's getting old quick. Just like Reznor doing his droning crap. What happens when he's into his fifth or tenth film still doing that amateur droning crap?


All I'm getting from this is word salad. The score was well-suited to the film, and Greenwood really grew and developed as a composer, especially when it came to the jazzier cues or something like Alethia. So much of the score is entirely distinct from his past scores that I'm wondering if you actually listened to the score or if you just listened to 30 second clips on Amazon.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2012 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

Saw this film on the weekend. Really amazing performances by the two male leads and Amy Adams. Thought the first half of the film was near perfect but then it slumped a little in the middle. Still highly recommend it for film enthusiasts. I thought the score worked very well and I'm not a fan of Greenwood really - I thought there was way too much music in "There Will Be Blood" and some of it quite intrusive. There was a lot of music in "The Master", but I think it helped create the dreamlike quality the filmmaker seemed to be going for. It would have a been a difficult film to score I think and IMHO Greenwood and the director came up with a sound palette that really worked with the picture.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2012 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   Loverozsa   (Member)

A dreadful, pointless film- music is interesting at times.

 
 Posted:   Oct 1, 2012 - 1:03 PM   
 By:   Penelope Pineapple   (Member)

Saw this film on the weekend. Really amazing performances by the two male leads and Amy Adams. Thought the first half of the film was near perfect but then it slumped a little in the middle. Still highly recommend it for film enthusiasts. I thought the score worked very well and I'm not a fan of Greenwood really - I thought there was way too much music in "There Will Be Blood" and some of it quite intrusive. There was a lot of music in "The Master", but I think it helped create the dreamlike quality the filmmaker seemed to be going for. It would have a been a difficult film to score I think and IMHO Greenwood and the director came up with a sound palette that really worked with the picture.

My impression of the score to THERE WILL BE BLOOD was that it was itself a character in the film; there was so little dialog that the score needed to have the muscle to carry the film for long stretches. Where did you feel the score was intrusive?

 
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