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 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 11:11 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Hey gang,

I think we should have a place where we can post all the scores that Varese is known to have perpetuity rights to in one place.

This is what I've compiled so far from the posts in this thread:

CONFIRMED:
Charles Bernstein - 1986 - April Fool's Day [9]
Don Davis - 1999 - The Matrix [3]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1968 - Planet of the Apes [5]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1990 - Gremlins 2: The New Batch [3]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1997 - Air Force One [1]
Jerry Goldsmith - 1996 - Executive Decision [1]
Jerry Goldsmith - 2002 - Star Trek Nemesis [1]
Maurice Jarre - 1984 - Top Secret! [10]
Michael Kamen - 1990 - Die Hard 2 [1]
Basil Poledouris - 1993 - Robocop 3 [4]
Basil Poledouris - 1997 - Starship Troopers [1]
Leonard Rosenman - 1990 - Robocop 2 [4]
Miklos Rozsa - 1981 - Eye Of the Needle [2]
Marc Shaiman - 1993 - Addams Family Values [8]
Alan Silvestri - 1989 - The Abyss [3]
Alan Silvestri - 1990 - Back To The Future III [2]
Alan Silvestri - 1990 - Predator 2 [1]
Alan Silvestri - 1995 - The Quick And The Dead [1]
Alan Silvestri - 1997 - Volcano [1]
Shirley Walker - 1992 - Memoirs of an Invisible Man [3]
John Williams - 1975 - The Cowboys [7]

SUSPECTED BUT UNCONFIRMED:
John Barry - 1986 - Peggy Sue Got Married
John Frizzell - 1997 - Dante's Peak
Elliot Goldenthal - 1998 - Sphere
Jerry Goldsmith - 1976 - The Omen
Jerry Goldsmith - 1978 - Damien: Omen II
Jerry Goldsmith - 1981 - The Final Conflict
Jerry Goldsmith - 1990 - Total Recall
Jerry Goldsmith - 1998 - U. S. Marshals
Jerry Goldsmith - 1998 - Small Soldiers
James Horner - 1986 - Aliens
James Newton Howard - 1995 - Outbreak
James Newton Howard - 1999 - The Sixth Sense
Trevor Jones - 1998 - Merlin
Michael Kamen - 1999 - The Iron Giant
Basil Poledouris - 1995 - Under Siege 2
Basil Poledouris - 1994 - On Deadly Ground
Basil Poledouris - 1993 - Hot Shots Part Deux
Basil Poledouris - 1999 - For Love Of The Game
Alan Silvestri - 1997 - Mouse Hunt


Titles that Varese DOES NOT have perpetuity rights to
Jerry Goldsmith - 1995 - Psycho II [6]


Sources:
[1] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=75146&forumID=1&archive=0
[2] = Roger Feigelson, Intrada, email
[3] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, email
[4] = Roger Feigelson, Intrada, from thread http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=38441#p38441 - Reconfirmed by MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, in this very thread
[5] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, this very thread
[6] = David Sones (Allardyce) in this very thread
[7] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=97236&forumID=1&archive=0
[8] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=103967&forumID=1&archive=0
[9] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&threadID=67395&archive=0
[10] = MV Gerhard, La-La Land Records, from thread http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=104341&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   The REAL BJBien   (Member)

oh this is too sad to look at...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 12:16 PM   
 By:   Michaelson   (Member)

Too bad, I was hoping for an Expanded EXECUTIVE DECISION by La La Land.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Doug Raynes   (Member)

Miklos Rozsa - EYE OF THE NEEDLE (1981) - OST which Varese have never released.
Source: Roger Feigelson, Intrada.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 1:42 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Thanks Doug!

Anybody know about these late 90s titles released around the same time as other ones we know they have in perpetuity?

Dante's Peak - John Frizzell
Mouse Hunt - Alan Silvestri
Sphere - Elliot Goldenthal
U. S. Marshals - Jerry Goldsmith
Merlin - Trevor Jones
Small Soldiers - Jerry Goldsmith
The Matrix - Don Davis
The Sixth Sense - James Newton Howard
The Iron Giant - Michael Kamen

Does anybody know if they have perpetuity rights for these older scores that got the pre-club unlimited Deluxe Edition treatment?

Total Recall - The Deluxe Edition - Jerry Goldsmith
Aliens - The Deluxe Edition - James Horner
The Omen - The Deluxe Edition - Jerry Goldsmith
Damien: Omen II - The Deluxe Edition - Jerry Goldsmith
The Final Conflict - The Deluxe Edition - Jerry Goldsmith

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

Don't forget Back To The Future Part 3.

If I remember right I emailed Roger about Intrada doing that score and he told me Varése owns the rights in perpetuity.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   Sarge   (Member)

I can't say for sure, but I'd bet they have several other Poledouris titles besides STARSHIP TROOPERS in perpetuity...

UNDER SIEGE 2
ON DEADLY GROUND
ROBOCOP 3
HOT SHOTS PART DEUX
FOR LOVE OF THE GAME

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   Dennis Brain   (Member)

Miklos Rozsa - EYE OF THE NEEDLE (1981) - OST which Varese have never released.
Source: Roger Feigelson, Intrada.


Has been released on the elder Varese Club releases (as twofer with "Last embrace")

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)

I hope 2012 will see more 'fan request' friendly club batches as in all honesty their batches for 2011 IMO were so often overshadowed by the other labels' regular releases. I hope Varese will continue to fullfill the golden age fans' requests, and at the same time consider revisiting these popular 80's and 90's titles. I'm sure if it were up to an intrada or la la, they'd be properly re-released by now.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 2:40 PM   
 By:   richuk   (Member)

I'm very sure that if Varese didn't have these in perpetuity, many of them would have proper releases by now.

I just hope that Townson knows how much demand there is to see these properly* reissued.


* If it needs 2 CDs, give it 2 CDs!

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 2:46 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

I'm very sure that if Varese didn't have these in perpetuity, many of them would have proper releases by now.

I just hope that Townson knows how much demand there is to see these properly* reissued.


* If it needs 2 CDs, give it 2 CDs!


We both know that he really gives full complete treatments to golden age stuff. Things from the 80's on wards are meerly "expanded" single CDs. We got lucky with Star Trek (2009) but at the same time he screwed up on that release.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Jon Lewis   (Member)

Miklos Rozsa - EYE OF THE NEEDLE (1981) - OST which Varese have never released.
Source: Roger Feigelson, Intrada.
-----------------------------------------------
Has been released on the elder Varese Club releases (as twofer with "Last embrace")


That was the rerecording. The film tracks have never been released.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 3:34 PM   
 By:   Shock-Wave   (Member)

Memoirs of an invisible man by Shirley Walker?

Another 30 min CD. I would like to see an expanded work Varese please.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 3:35 PM   
 By:   TheFamousEccles   (Member)

In addition to number 3, "RoboCop 2" is another title Varese has in perpetuity.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   ScottDS   (Member)

Twice a year, I send a polite Facebook message or e-mail to Varese requesting some of these titles and I always get the same "I'll forward this to our soundtrack department" reply.

I also wonder whether or not Intrada and/or LLL can enter into some kind of licensing or co-production deal (à la Intrada and Disney) for some of Varese's back catalog.

Either of these labels could work wonders with some of the titles listed above (I dream of a 3-disc Air Force One from LLL with all of the McNeely material and Newman's rejected score).

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Things from the 80's on wards are meerly "expanded" single CDs. We got lucky with Star Trek (2009) but at the same time he screwed up on that release.

Where to begin?

Do any of these scores warrant anything more than an 80 minute release? Let's take an example of a 'merely expanded' score such as Total Recall. Is any noteworthy music missing from that particular CD? Would a longer release be that much better?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for longer releases, but to suggest that something that is practically doubled in length is 'merely expanded' seems a triffle fanboyish to say to.

And releasing a double CD of Star Trek doesn't seem such screw up to me. Just my opinion of course.

Robert Townson is doing a fine job at Varese and even the most superficial glance at his work attests to that. We should all be lucky enough to have presided over any of his 'screw ups'.

Fanboys! roll eyes

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 3:55 PM   
 By:   Trent B.   (Member)

Star Trek was screwed up...

Now having no choir in ANY of the cues I can understand if the fees were too high. However, the choir still only remained in "Nero Death Experience" and "End Credits". I think that Townson could have had afford to pay for the choir fees, he just chose not too.

Quite a few cues were micro-edited for no apparent reason too. "Main Titles" (real name Star Trek) was the film version and not the original version Giacchino composed for. Then of course there's the cue "I've Fallen and I Can't Beam Up!" where brass and woodwind overlays were recorded and meant for at the beginning of the cue but Townson used the wrong take for it!

Yes the set was a sell out but at the same time it was a bit half-assed.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 3:58 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

post edited because I misread a post wrong.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

"Titles I don't feel need to be expanded", but please don't do so in this thread. Thank you.

Didn't say that! Please do not put words in my mouth and please don't boss me around. It's unbecoming. big grin

Edit: Please disregard my comments since the confusion was subsequently cleared up.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2012 - 5:06 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

I hope 2012 will see more 'fan request' friendly club batches as in all honesty their batches for 2011 IMO were so often overshadowed by the other labels' regular releases

How are Varese's $20 CDs with limited pressings different from other labels' $20 CDs with limited pressings?

 
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