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 Posted:   Jan 21, 2012 - 12:02 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

What do you all think of Rota's "A Time for Us" Love Theme and his score from

Franco Zeffirelli's ROMEO & JULIET?



I may soon be playing Lord Capulet in a local Shakespeare Under the Stars production and I'm soaking up all that is R & J.

I've always found the main theme to be very beautiful and close to being a tear jerker as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCmUWNUzaqo&feature=related

A piano version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNbtU1IVDPs

I seem to always remember watching Lawrence Welk on a Saturday night with Mom and Dad in the 70's and Lawrence conducting it with his orchestra and chorus:

This is not Welk, but sure sounds like what I remember:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBXhBBst-nI&feature=related

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2012 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


I love the score.

However, that is not the actual soundtrack from the film. It is a rerecording.
the actual tracks often has different tempos.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2012 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Joe Caps   (Member)


I love the score.

However, that is not the actual soundtrack from the film. It is a rerecording.
the actual tracks often has different tempos.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2012 - 8:03 AM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)




This is the LP I have in my collection. It is almost entirely dialogue. In the pre video tape, laserdisc, dvd, blu ray era I bought several such LPs. The song as used in the film is on the LP.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2012 - 8:27 AM   
 By:   Zaku   (Member)

The love theme for R&J is one of my all time favorite themes. This movie was actually one of the very first ones to make me notice film music. I am constantly playing the theme in the piano, it's simple yet beautiful.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2012 - 9:43 AM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

I absolutely love the version of it Henry Mancini did on one of his LPs.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2012 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

I thought the 1991 Cloud Nine CD was original soundtrack material?

The song title "What is a Youth?" with lyrics by Eugene Walter is sung twice on the 1991 Cloud Nine CD.

Is the 2002 Silva digital re-recording CD worth getting?

The score is gorgeous, of course, and the 1991 Cloud Nine CD is a treasure, for sure.

One of the best film scores of all time?

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2012 - 3:28 PM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

I thought the 1991 Cloud Nine CD was original soundtrack material?

The song title "What is a Youth?" with lyrics by Eugene Walter is sung twice on the 1991 Cloud Nine CD.

Is the 2002 Silva digital re-recording CD worth getting?

The score is gorgeous, of course, and the 1991 Cloud Nine CD is a treasure, for sure.

One of the best film scores of all time?





If it's one of Rota's absolute best - which it is - then, yes, it's one of the best of all time! I always loved it! All of it, it's not just the celebrated love theme. I always felt this score deserved the Oscar - how it failed to even get a nomination is beyond me...
Get the Silva re-recording. It's a very rewarding effort. It has some different tempos sometimes but this is a succesful artistic choice.

 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2012 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

Thanks, Johnny G, for the good word about the 2002 Silva re-recording.

Sounds like there are two interesting full CD's of this wonderful Rota score!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 21, 2012 - 5:56 PM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

The Silva Screen CD and Cloud Nine CD are the original instrumental scores recorded by Nino Rota in 1967-68. They include the love them, sung. Both are out of print, pricey, and a cherished treasure. I think it's the best soundtrack music I ever heard in 45 years of movie-going:

http://www.amazon.com/Romeo-Juliet/dp/B000025LBZ/ref=sr_1_3?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1327193664&sr=1-3

http://www.amazon.com/FRANCO-ZEFFIRELLIS-ROMEO-JULIET-SOUNDTRACK/dp/B0015227DU/ref=sr_1_27?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1327193474&sr=1-27

Either / or edition needs to be brought back into print, and quickly. I forget which one includes a sample at the end of the City of Prague's re-recording.

The Capitol and EMI / Capitol CD is the same as the 1968 LP, the original score supporting dialogue from the film. It's much easier to come by than either the Silva Screen or the Cloud Nine because it's always been in print. That was the first soundtrack LP I bought, and my first exposure to Shakespeare, which grew into a lifetime preoccupation. Or distraction, depending on how you look at it:

http://www.amazon.com/Romeo-Juliet-Nino-Rota/dp/B00000DR9R/ref=sr_1_4?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1327193384&sr=1-4

The City of Prague's re-recording, released by Silva America, includes the dance number The Moresca which the original score CD's do not. I haven't heard it but I'm reliably informed the recording is very fine:

http://www.amazon.com/Zeffirellis-Premiere-Digital-Recording-Complete/dp/B000066SF9/ref=sr_1_5?s=music&ie=UTF8&qid=1327193384&sr=1-5


Richard

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2012 - 11:12 AM   
 By:   Leland   (Member)

Top ten sundtrack of all time.

This album - the complete original soundtrack - should be in print forever.
So people learn how great film music can really be.

Mind you, no action or horror theme in it either...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2012 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Wow! I didn't know my Silva CD, which I picked up pretty cheap when Virgin or Zavvi were closing down, is so rare now.
I didn't really know the score and was familiar with the main theme mainly from it's daily airings on the radio, when I was growing up, as the underscore for Dave Lee Travis' popular Our Tune slot on Radio One.
I've since discovered there was a whole lot more to the music than that famous tune and the Silva 'original soundtrack recording' gets a playthrough VERY often in these parts.
It's actually the ONLY soundtrack I own by Rota, if you don't include Horner's Honey I Shrunk The Kids wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2012 - 11:29 AM   
 By:   Leland   (Member)

It's actually the ONLY soundtrack I own by Rota


This is a great mistake that should be corrected asap.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2012 - 11:51 PM   
 By:   Richard-W   (Member)

The only one? How can that be. Nino Rota wrote so many inspired scores I don't know where to begin recommending them. Another personal favorite of mine is The Taming of the Shrew (1966) also for Franco Zeffirelli, perhaps because it has so much in common with Romeo & Juliet.

The price of a used Cloud Nine or Silva Screen CD is outrageously high precisely because the original instrumental soundtrack is in demand. In Demand. So in demand that copies either can't be had or you need a third job to pay for it. So why hasn't some CD label brought it back into print when there is obviously money to be made?


Richard

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2012 - 3:59 AM   
 By:   Urs Lesse   (Member)

I fully agree that the original recording is overdue for rerelease. I would guess that Silva itself still wants/needs to halfway recoup their costs for re-recording the score before they re-release the original recording.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2012 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

I didn't really know the score and was familiar with the main theme mainly from it's daily airings on the radio, when I was growing up, as the underscore for Dave Lee Travis' popular Our Tune slot on Radio One.


Kev, wasn't that Simon Bates who did the 'Our Tune' slot?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2012 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Oops! Yeah, you're right Thomas. Simon Bates, it was. Not that hairy monster!! My bad.

btw, how shit are the (once mighty) Reds lately!?! Not good. They're as tragic as Romeo & Juliet!! wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2012 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

You would think this music is loved universally. The picture was a big success, the love theme (simplified) became a pop hit, and public demand resulted in a music ST album as well as the original dialogue + music disc.

One of the strangest comments I ever encountered was Royal S. Brown's dismissal in some High Fidelity review. (I think this was pre-Fanfare.) He said he didn't know anybody who could possibly like the R&J score, "except possibly Rota's mother." Brown was enthusiastic about Rota's very different Fellini scores, which he described (nicely) as "surreal pop". And of course hyperbole is not unknown in film music circles. Still, you have to wonder about this particular head scratcher.

For those unfamiliar with RSB, he was a very sophisticated scholar of cinema (esp. Godard and Hitchcock) who also respected lots of Hollywood film music. He reviewed film music albums for High Fidelity from the late 1960s and then in Fanfare for many years. He wrote a useful book, Overtones and Undertones, and also published a collection of his Fanfare writings. Well, we all have our blind spots.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 5:37 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

btw, how shit are the (once mighty) Reds lately!?! Not good. They're as tragic as Romeo & Juliet!! wink

Yep, it's been pretty dire Kev. Too many mediocre players, no creativity and not enough goals. No hope of a top 4 finish, methinks. Unless King Kenny gets in a couple decent players quicksmart!

Let's just hope we beat the Mancs x2 this week!smile

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 22, 2012 - 9:27 PM   
 By:   Bill Finn   (Member)

Since I just watched my DVD of the movie tonight, I feel compelled to reply.

First, let me say that I love the music. I've had the album since it was released,
and now a CD. I play the music myself (barely) on the piano.

But, to me, in the film, it's just a bit TOO MUCH. But then again, the film itself,
was basically the Shakespeare play, on film. Not really edited as most movies are
or were. So for me the film itself was a bit too much.

I had just wanted to do a comparison, as a few nights ago I watched "Taming
Of the Shrew". Also based on Shakespare and also produced by Zeferelli. I was
surprised, at how much more I enjoyed Shrew than I did Romeo & Juliet. Same
composer of course. I now like Rota's Shrew music (as a film score) better than his
Romeo score. 40 years ago, I would never have imagined me saying that.

Serves me right for getting older and changing my mind!

 
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