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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2012 - 5:19 PM   
 By:   PIERREP   (Member)

Anybody familiar with this canadian cartoon from 1967 ?
there is a lot of good music that must be coming from motion pictures like THE BLACK SHIELD OF FALWORTH. It says: music by SYNCHRO SOUND INC. !

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2012 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2012 - 6:12 PM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

A couple of episodes were bastardized and changed into stories for the late 1960's Spider-Man cartoon. "Dimentia 5" became "Revolt in the Fifth Dimension." Really weird stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2012 - 6:33 PM   
 By:   11thIndian   (Member)

One has to keep in mind when looking at both ROCKET ROBIN HOOOD AND SPIDERMAN, that there were two entirely different shows made.

Both had fairly light and breezy first seasons- in SPIDERMAN this is where you saw most of his standard rogues gallery of villains, and in RR most of the episodes feature the him fighting the Sherif of N.O.T.T.. But its the tripper, later seasons of both shows that everyone seems to remember, with bizarre plots and insanely limited animation, but LOADS of atmosphere and great, GREAT music! These later seasons were produced by Ralph Bakshi of FRITZ THE CAT and LORD OF THE RINGS animated fame.

I did an animated film styled after ROCKET ROBIN HOOD about 10 years ago and did tones of research, finding a lot of the original voice actors (who were Toronto based), and trying to nail down the music.

I'd heard that a lot of it was catalogue. While the music from SPIDERMAN is a bit better represented on CD, with two volumes of SPIDER SOUNDS (featuring Syd Dale) available on iTunes. However, unlike the plots and animation, very little music was borrowed from SPIDERMAN for ROCKET ROBIN. If, like MIGHTY HERCULES, this stuff does come from a movie or catalogue that someone could name, I'd be thrilled!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2012 - 6:47 PM   
 By:   PIERREP   (Member)

YES it was weird, mainly the second season that i now have on dvd and is those episodes there is music that looks like Morricone's COMANDAMENTI PER UN GANGSTER (the same year !) Also, there are some weird ants monsters that were in SPIDERMAN'S also weird episodes.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2012 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   Paul Ettinger   (Member)

This is just a cut-and-paste from the '70's Spider-Man thread' but answers the duplicate storyline question. The book actually describes a fairly funny episode of cartoon espionage and subterfuge between the two companies responsible.
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“When the show (Rocket Robin Hood) ran into trouble one year into production, (Steve) Krantz sent Ralph Bakshi to Toronto to oversee production and direct several episodes. Bakshi can be credited with inventing visual gags such as laser beam blasts from the eyes. The series also took on a darker, grittier visual tone thanks to input by comic book artist Gray Morrow, who served as the series layout artist during Bakshi’s reign.
When (Al) Guest threatened non-delivery because his cash flow had dried up, things got ugly. Bakshi devised a plot to rival any Saturday-morning cartoon: he grabbed a pile of storyboards and film cans, jumped in a taxi, and fled across the border to Buffalo. A warrant was issued for Bakshi’s arrest in Canada, but it was too late.
Bakshi and Krantz finished the series in New York by mixing backgrounds from their Spider-man series.”

Mazurkewich, Karen: Cartoon Capers. 1999 McArthur & Company, Toronto. Canada, pp.132-133

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2012 - 10:47 AM   
 By:   11thIndian   (Member)

After posting to this thread I did a bit of research and ending up finding out that there's a very dedicated group of people out there doing the detective work to try and find out where the music for SPIDERMAN and ROCKET ROBIN came from, since it wasn't documented in the credits of the show.

Turns out a great deal of it comes from the UK's KPM Library. It was this discovery that lead KPM to release the 2 volumes of SPIDER SOUNDS. But not everything has been found yet.

For instance, this one track has been a holy grail for me since I used it to temp track my film.

http://www.televisiontunes.com/themesongs/Division%204.mp3

Composed by Johnny Pearson, it was apparently used by the NFL in the late 70s over promos, as well as the theme song for an Australian TV show called DISTRICT 4.

It seems like at least SOME of the ROCKET ROBIN HOOD music can be found in the KPM library as well. But it's been a while since I watched RR, so I honestly have a hard time remembering the music from those later seasons, but I remember it being at times very atonal.

For those interested in digging into the KPM library there's lots of gold to be found. You can search it here:

http://www1.playkpmmusic.com/pages/category_search/database_search.cfm?auto

The SM & RR music seems to come from the 1000 series. Most specifically 1001, 1002, 1015, 1017, 1018.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2012 - 9:38 PM   
 By:   Paul Ettinger   (Member)

The Johnny Pearson track you've linked to is called 'Power Drive'. There are usually 3 or 4 versions of each library track with subtle differences in orchestration or tempo, and then 3 or 4 very short versions of the same material.
The Power Drive version heard in SPIDER-MAN is version 4, it's a slightly different version than the one linked. Sounds a little fuller.
At least another CD's worth of material has been unearthed since the original SPIDEY SOUNDS CD was released. That was way back in 2001 or something like that.
It's a slow laborious process to listen to everything in a library hoping to catch a whiff of a tune that was burned into your head as a youngster, but it has paid off - slowly.
The Carleton music library also has SPIDER-MAN tracks. Don't know if it has any ROCKET ROBIN HOOD.
I might have to buy season 2 of RRH to refresh my memory.

 
 Posted:   Jan 23, 2012 - 10:50 PM   
 By:   SteffM   (Member)

No matter what one might think of this old kiddie show and its obviously cheap, very static animation, the always exciting, colorful, adventurous RRH background music, on the other hand, truly symphonic in nature, was probably my first exposure to dramatic underscoring and is etched in my brain forever, companion to so many childhood games, remaining IMHO one of the unsung treasures of 1960s TV music. How amazing this bunch of permutable so-called catalog cues are not credited anywhere, not even a hint of who the composer(s) was/were, but it certainly is no hackwork. I'd buy an album in an instant.

Many of those great cues, though truncated as usual, are used in this particular episode :

http://tinyurl.com/8ynng58

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 9:20 AM   
 By:   11thIndian   (Member)

Hey Paul. I'm a bit confused. I've heard a bunch of people (including SteffM below) complain about these not being available on CD, and you mentioned that the first CD was released in 2001'ish.

But there are two volumes available on iTunes now. Do you mean there's enough music for a 3rd disk? And were these iTunes only releases? I can't find any evidence of a hard pressing.

Second, I actually did stumble across the name "Power Drive" when I was looking for more info on that track. Since I haven't seen anyone attribute Power Drive to a specific KPM album, how did you know it was Version 4? Is there a online source for this info that I haven't found yet, or are you just good!

Finally, Here's some other gems that I'd love to get my mitts on- any idea what they are?

Both from "Pardo Presents", the first at 5:17, and the second at 11:41.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq8vPuaHLms



 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

After posting to this thread I did a bit of research and ending up finding out that there's a very dedicated group of people out there doing the detective work to try and find out where the music for SPIDERMAN and ROCKET ROBIN came from, since it wasn't documented in the credits of the show.

Turns out a great deal of it comes from the UK's KPM Library. It was this discovery that lead KPM to release the 2 volumes of SPIDER SOUNDS. But not everything has been found yet.


I've also been scouring the music libraries for music used inthe Marvel Super-Heroes series made at about the same time. I found a bunch on the KPM side, but am still missing a lot. Also found a HUGE amount of music from the second season of The Outer Limits and One Step Beyond, both by Harry Lubin, plus a great deal of music used on Ren & Stimpy. That was a kick to find.

Library music rules.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 9:52 AM   
 By:   PIERREP   (Member)

No matter what one might think of this old kiddie show and its obviously cheap, very static animation, the always exciting, colorful, adventurous RRH background music, on the other hand, truly symphonic in nature, was probably my first exposure to dramatic underscoring and is etched in my brain forever, companion to so many childhood games, remaining IMHO one of the unsung treasures of 1960s TV music. How amazing this bunch of permutable so-called catalog cues are not credited anywhere, not even a hint of who the composer(s) was/were, but it certainly is no hackwork. I'd buy an album in an instant.

Many of those great cues, though truncated as usual, are used in this particular episode :

http://tinyurl.com/8ynng58


yes this is the best with weird music with a base and bongos. the secons season is much better and adult.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   SteffM   (Member)

For what it's worth, my hunch is there was at least some original scoring involved, since we can hear actual quotes and variations interspersed of the jaunty main title song and, though no absolute proof, the overall orchestrations and sound are pretty consistant, which wouldn't be the case with all-purpose library stuff.

 
 Posted:   Jan 24, 2012 - 10:47 PM   
 By:   Paul Ettinger   (Member)

I think SteffM is correct. I think there was some original scoring in ROCKET ROBIN HOOD probably done at the same time that the theme song was recorded.

SteffM, can I look you up the next time I'm in Quebec City?

All my CDs are currently inaccessable due to unforseen and unplanned home renovations. I will 'guess' at the answers for now.
Some of the hard pressings came from the libraries themselves. Depending on when earlier posts were made the statement regarding the lack of hard pressings may or may not be true.

Yes, enough music has been recently uncovered to make a third CD. ( About 45 minutes worth of new music not covered in the SPIDEY- SOUNDS.) When I say recently I mean in the last 4 or 5 years. It really is a slow process to locate the tracks without cue sheets. One must have an encyclopedic/eidetic memory for the music, and one must have wasted their childhood watching the same cartoons over and over and over and over again. Luckily, there's a whole bunch of us.
The new stuff has not been released on iTunes yet.

'Power Drive' is not an APM /KPM track and that is why you can't find it there. ...I'm trying to think of the other libraries that were used. Carleton was one. One started with 'A'... I can't think of it at the moment. I also keep copious notes but they are also currently inaccessible.

There is no on-line source for cue identification that I know of. That would make things easier though. The companies themselves might have records going back to 1967 to see who licensed what. That would certainly be a shortcut if those records were kept and could be accessed.
Version 4 of 'Power Drive' sounded identical to the SPIDER-MAN episode versions. Sometimes they did use more than one version of the same tune. I made a a temporary home-made CD of the newest tracks just to collect them all in one place for the time being until newer tracks are discovered.

So to answer your question: Yes I am Good ! But I also have the help of many dedicated fans out there who toil to uncover and retreive our shared musical past. And honestly I've been so busy in the past year I haven't been able to do that much looking myself. There are people who are much keener than I. They just don't post here.

The two cues you've indicated from 'Pardo Presents' have not been found yet.


If you are Canadian and of a certain age, you would have heard SPIDER-MAN music in THE BEACHCOMBERS, ILSA- TIGRESS OF SIBERIA, all of David Conenberg's early needle-drop scores, and the almost endless library scored features and commercials you were subjected to when you only had one or two channels.
The music also appeared in at least one episode of DYNASTY (?) suprised me too)), KINGDOM OF THE SPIDERS, and the documentary/making of short for EYE OF THE DEVIL (available on FSM). The doc was a special feature on the laserdisc of THE FEARLESS VAMPIRE KILLERS I guess because Sharon Tate was in both films. It's not inclued on the DVD of the film. And I still hear the music in a lot of older trailers.

So we got off-topic a little bit because I'm more familiar with SPIDER-MAN than ROCKET ROBIN HOOD, but you have inspired me to buy the 2nd season of RRH on DVD and that might jog my memory musically. It's kind of a tough show to watch with all those repeated segments eating away at the half-hour show. Even as a kid I found those time-fillers annoying. But I guess, according to the Mazurkewich book referenced above they were in financial straits and had to find some way to fill 22 minutes with only 11 minutes of new animation.

*post edited to remove 'some' personal information*

 
 Posted:   Jan 25, 2012 - 9:16 PM   
 By:   SteffM   (Member)

SteffM, can I look you up the next time I'm in Quebec City? :

By all means Paul. Don't forget to bring your CDs! wink

 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2013 - 7:27 PM   
 By:   Paul Ettinger   (Member)

The first ROCKET ROBIN HOOD cue has surfaced; unearthed by Bruce Kimmel on THE FAR HORIZONS/ SECRET OF THE INCAS (Kritzerland KR 20025-5). Track 26 'Sunburst Stolen (part 2)' by David Buttolph on SECRET OF THE INCAS.

A sample of the track is provided on the Screen Archives website although there is more RRH music after the sample expires. The CD includes all the surviving score cues. There may have been more tracks lost or appropriated by the library company licensing the music to Grantray-Lawrence.

I'll have to track down a copy of the movie now.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2013 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   JohnnyRoastbeef   (Member)

LOVE the music from Spiderman, hopefully a CD of that can one day come to fruition. I don't really remember the RRH score tracks; what I remember most from that was the medieval-styled interstitial songs about the Merry Men, which I also love. RRH was also one of the most tedious shows ever made, with seemingly over half of the running time of any given episode dedicated to the character introducing-interstitials, the exact same in EVERY episode. Music was fun though, as were the characters themselves (who can forget Friar Tuck, a supposed man of god, taking one bite out of a drumstick, and the tossing the rest aside, and then taking one bite out of a bunch of grapes, and then tossing the rest aside...do you think maybe you should share some of that with the poor!? And Little John, beating the tar out of some baddies, and then having a chuckle at the cute little squirrel--what a gentle giant!).

 
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