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 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 5:08 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Enough with the expansion talk already! I want to focus on the completely unreleased music by some of my favourite composers (at most a theme or brief suite on some compilation). Bootlegs don't count.

I've provided a list below (please let me know if I've left out something), and thought it would be interesting to do a "Top 3" most desired of these titles. First out is Danny Elfman (I've not counted unreleased Oingo Boingo material):

FILMS:

AMERICAN HUSTLE
SUMMER SCHOOL
HOT TO TROT
FACE LIKE A FROG
MY FAVOURITE MARTIAN (not counting promo)
DEEP SEA 3D (the music not featured in Serenada Schizophrana)
NOTORIOUS (there's more than just the theme)
ANYWHERE BUT HERE
THE FAMILY MAN (not counting promo)
DO NOT DISTURB
CONDO PAINTING
MODERN VAMPIRES
KICK-ASS ("Walk to Raisulis"....not counting promo)
NACHO LIBRE (not counting promo)

TV:

AMAZING STORIES - FAMILY DOG
PERVERSIONS OF SCIENCE
POINT PLEASANT
DILBERT (different version than FORBIDDEN ZONE theme)
HONDA
FORD LINCOLN MERCURY
NISSAN

NON-FILM MUSIC:

PIANO CONCERTO 1 1/2
THE FORTUNE TELLER
OVEREAGER OVERTURE
PUPPET MASTERPIECE THEATER: THE CIRCUS
MYSTIC MANOR
HOUDINI (rejected)
JIMMY CALLICUT
LITTLE DEMONS
VIOLIN CONCERTO
TRUMP STALKS CLINTON
OSCARS OPENING
PIANO QUARTET

My list would probably look like this:

1. THE VIOLIN CONCERTO
2. THE FORTUNE TELLER
3. HOT TO TROT

What's yours?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 5:20 AM   
 By:   babbelballetje   (Member)

Enough with the expansion talk already! I want to focus on the completely unreleased music by some of my favourite composers (at most a theme or brief suite on some compilation). Bootlegs don't count.

I've provided a list below (please let me know if I've left out something), and thought it would be interesting to do a "Top 3" most desired of these titles. First out is Danny Elfman (I've not counted unreleased Oingo Boingo material):

FILMS:

SUMMER SCHOOL
HOT TO TROT
FACE LIKE A FROG
GOOD WILL HUNTING (not counting promo)
MY FAVOURITE MARTIAN (not counting promo)
DEEP SEA 3D (the music not featured in Serenada Schizophrana)
NOTORIOUS (there's more than just the theme)
DO NOT DISTURB
RESTLESS
CONDO PAINTING
MODERN VAMPIRES
SCREAM 2 ("Cassandra's Aria")
KICK-ASS ("Walk to Raisulis"....not counting promo)
NACHO LIBRE (not counting promo)

TV:

AMAZING STORIES - FAMILY DOG
PERVERSIONS OF SCIENCE
POINT PLEASANT
DILBERT (different version than FORBIDDEN ZONE theme)
HONDA
FORD LINCOLN MERCURY
NISSAN

NON-FILM MUSIC:

PIANO CONCERTO 1 1/2
THE FORTUNE TELLER
OVEREAGER OVERTURE
RABBIT AND ROGUE
JIMMY CALLICUT
LITTLE DEMONS

My list would probably look like this:

1. THE FORTUNE TELLER
2. HOT TO TROT
3. RABBIT AND ROGUE

What's yours?



Elfman fans are lucky that most of his scores are available, some even expanded for those who like that. The collector in me would like most of these scores, but I'm sure I wouldn't listen to most of them much. Summer school reminded me a bit of Back to school. Nice to have, but not Elfman's best.

Little demons would be the most fun for me, but since the release of the Burton box and Scrooged, I have my Elfman holy grails at homesmile

About the fortune teller and rabbit and rogue, I missed seeing those coming by. Are these actually recorded pieces, or demos?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 5:39 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

About the fortune teller and rabbit and rogue, I missed seeing those coming by. Are these actually recorded pieces, or demos?

I'm not sure what you mean. None of those are out in any form or fashion, not even bootleg (although I believe a clip from THE FORTUNE TELLER is out on Youtube).

THE FORTUNE TELLER is a puppet show from 2006, RABBIT AND ROGUE is the Twyla Tharp ballet from 2008.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 5:41 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

If you're including Good Will Hunting (which had "Main Titles" and "Weepy Donuts" released on the various artists disc), then you could also include Anywhere But Here (1 track) and The Family Man (2 tracks).

The Family Man is one of my favorite Elfman scores, and while the movie is just okay, I'd say the DVD is my most-played DVD that I own simply because of the isolated score.

Also, I think the Elfman box has everything they could locate re: Amazing Stories: Family Dog.

The only two I'm familiar with are Good Will Hunting and The Family Man, so that's my list - rest assured, I'd buy any Elfman release they put out smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 5:47 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

A cue from Hot To Trot was included on the first Music For A Darkended Theater compilation, and a suite from "Family Dog" was included on the second volume.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 5:56 AM   
 By:   ddddeeee   (Member)

I was going to mention a proper release for Family Man too, as well as Good Will Hunting.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   Buscemi   (Member)

A few Elfman cues are on the Nacho Libre soundtrack (along with a few leftover Beck* cues).

Legal tape would make a score release an issue (the soundtrack was delayed four months due to Elfman, Beck and the film's director not seeing eye to eye).

* - the singer Beck (Hansen), not Christophe Beck

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 6:47 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm well aware that some of these had the occasional theme or brief suite released on various compilations, but as I said in the first post, I don't count those. Especially not if the score is more than just that theme. I'm interested in SPECIALLY DEDICATED SCORE albums for the music that can sustain them.

But you're right, mstrox, if I count GOOD WILL HUNTING, I should also include ANYWHERE BUT HERE and THE FAMILY MAN. They have been added.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   TM   (Member)

I'm 100% behind getting all of Elfman's music properly released.

But really, wouldn't films represented on Music for a Darkened Theater or by a few tracks on a song CD be technically considered expansions?

Your definition of 'expansion' seems to exclude films you don't think were presented well on CD the first time they were released (in which case, ironically, you're no different than the rest of us)

For instance, although I love having the expanded LaLaLand version, the suite of Scrooged was actually quite comprehensive and certainly counts as the original presentation of the score...

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   babbelballetje   (Member)

About the fortune teller and rabbit and rogue, I missed seeing those coming by. Are these actually recorded pieces, or demos?

I'm not sure what you mean. None of those are out in any form or fashion, not even bootleg (although I believe a clip from THE FORTUNE TELLER is out on Youtube).

THE FORTUNE TELLER is a puppet show from 2006, RABBIT AND ROGUE is the Twyla Tharp ballet from 2008.


I wasn't sure if these were actual recorded projects, or just planned projects that were never properly recorded. I do remember the Fortune teller now and I'm going to search for it on Youtube right away, a very nice piece of music.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

About the fortune teller and rabbit and rogue, I missed seeing those coming by. Are these actually recorded pieces, or demos?

I'm not sure what you mean. None of those are out in any form or fashion, not even bootleg (although I believe a clip from THE FORTUNE TELLER is out on Youtube).

THE FORTUNE TELLER is a puppet show from 2006, RABBIT AND ROGUE is the Twyla Tharp ballet from 2008.


I wasn't sure if these were actual recorded projects, or just planned projects that were never properly recorded. I do remember the Fortune teller now and I'm going to search for it on Youtube right away, a very nice piece of music.


Well, I would think both of them were recorded for use in the shows and not played live on-stage every time. None of these recordings have been made available outside their use there, though.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I'm 100% behind getting all of Elfman's music properly released.

But really, wouldn't films represented on Music for a Darkened Theater or by a few tracks on a song CD be technically considered expansions?

Your definition of 'expansion' seems to exclude films you don't think were presented well on CD the first time they were released (in which case, ironically, you're no different than the rest of us)

For instance, although I love having the expanded LaLaLand version, the suite of Scrooged was actually quite comprehensive and certainly counts as the original presentation of the score...


In a way they would be considered "expansions" in those cases, I guess. But not quite. It's just a matter of getting a dedicated, representative selection of the score out there. These things don't even have their own, separate 'score' representations in the first place. Well, the ANYWHERE BUT HERE suite might, as it's not that much music in the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   crwdfwtx197   (Member)

The early Elf Man music on this list is especially tantalizing. Rarely have we been able to see such a talent evolve from its rawness to maturity, the way we have with Danny. his later career became more workmanlike but seeing him figure out his own art from one score to the next, in the early days, was like watching your little brother grow up and turn into Hank Aaron.

Count me in as somebody who will support every new release of this dude's unreleased music.

(We also need an expansion of DOLORES CLAIBORNE. Sorry, Thor!)

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   bdm   (Member)

I thought FAMILY DOG was on the Box Set discs...?

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

It is part of a compilation disc, so therefore it doesn't meet Thor's definition.

Also, apparently there were some elements missing, so it's possible they could be found for a rounder release.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 9:00 AM   
 By:   CindyLover   (Member)

It is part of a compilation disc, so therefore it doesn't meet Thor's definition.

But that still qualifies as a bit of a release, so therefore it does meet the ACTUAL definition.

 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   random guy   (Member)

"Fortune Teller" is the one with the odd looking puppets right? loved the music in that youtube clip. you guys haven't mentioned "Iris" so i'm guessing that one has already being released?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   ddddeeee   (Member)

Yes and it's fantastic. No Elfman fan should be without it.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

It is part of a compilation disc, so therefore it doesn't meet Thor's definition.

But that still qualifies as a bit of a release, so therefore it does meet the ACTUAL definition.


True. Only a small fragment of the FAMILY DOG episode has been released (MDAFT 2 and the Burton/Elfman box) due to the difficulty in locating the masters. It could make a cute disc all on its own if it were found, perhaps coupled with the shortlived TV spin-off series music.

And yes, IRIS was released last year.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 6, 2012 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

"Fortune Teller" is the one with the odd looking puppets right? loved the music in that youtube clip. you guys haven't mentioned "Iris" so i'm guessing that one has already being released?

That has a full length CD:

http://www.amazon.com/Iris-Cirque-Du-Soleil/dp/B005P4HK3Q/

Really wonderful too.

 
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