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 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 1:57 AM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

There are a few Brainstorm threads that don't amount to much but rehashing bad vibes, so I have to start a new thread to post this anecdote fans of Horner might enjoy.

Just got off the phone with my best friend, who works in computer animation. A co-worker spent a day on Doug Trumbull's ranch or film plantation or whatever it's called here in Massachusetts. Apparently, Trumbull raises these small mules or burrows or horses or something on the land. There is a Lucas Ranch-like building, entertainment facilities, meeting places and all that. My friend's co-worker was able to spend a day there and it was like meeting an idol; Trumbull was a little gruff but very cool.

Anyway, the reason I'm posting is because Trumbull showed the guy into his office and answered a call, and there was his recent Oscar (he handed it to his visitor, who said it weighed a ton). When he put it down, what did he see on display, in a place of honor in Doug Trumbull's office?

The score to Brainstorm, complete with corrections, erasures, Whited-Out notes, etc.

Not sure if it's a piano score, a conductor's score or whatever, but the guy noticed it right away, and he's an effects guy, and just knew of my interest in film music and passed on the observation.

I just thought it was kinda cool, and that Horner fans would appreciate that of all the mementos of Trumbull's distinguished career, the score is in a prominent place in his office. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 4:53 AM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

When the votes are all in, I think this is, finally, my favorite James Horner score.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   cirithungol   (Member)

'Lillian's Heart Attack' remains to this day the scariest piece of music I've ever heard.

I saw this movie when I was younger because my dad was irresponsible, and that scene had always haunted me thanks partly to Louise Fletcher's performance, but mostly because of James Horner's music.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 5:10 AM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

cirithungol,

Her performance is excruciatingly good. The cue and the film and the cue on the album are orchestrated differently, and both are good, and I can see why he punched up the percussion on the album--it's a great track where it is on the album. But in the movie, the more subdued approach is so powerful--from the beginning of the cue on, you just have this sense that these are the character's final moments, and the music is utterly funereal.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 5:11 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I don't care much for the more 'horrorey' aspects of it, but I really like it as a whole. Lots of ingenuity and creativity flowing through it. I think I saw the film on TCM once, or at least parts of it. But don't remember much from it.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

Probably one of my top 5 favorite Horner scores. This was a great movie to see in the theater with the changes in aspect ratio and all. I was disappointed though that the VR scenes weren't shot using Showscan after reading so much about it before the film was released.

Like others have said, Lillian's Heart Attack is an ultra-powerful cue. Those huge hammering chordal blasts with the upper register horn cries give me goose flesh everytime I hear them. You can just feel the angst and pain in that cue in.

This is a score that could do with a bit of expansion being one of those too-truncated 30 minuters from Varese. I think I still only have the original Varese on LP.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   dogplant   (Member)

I've always been very fond of this score, too, JS, and I enjoy the schizophrenic range between the mad apocalyptic and the dreamy ethereal stuff. 'Michael's Gift to Karen' is one of Horner's loveliest pieces.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 9:49 AM   
 By:   Redokt64   (Member)

I was able to see this on one of the larger screens here in Maryland when the film was finally released in 1983. The cast performed well (the late Natalie Wood) was radiant... but the film was stolen by Louise Fletcher...

"Lillian's Heart Attack" is a breathtaking cue (literally)... and remembering the impact it had when I was at the theater was amazing. James Horner just knocked it out of the universe with that and "Michael's Gift To Karen"...

The entire score is excellent... but those two are the true standouts for it. An expansion would be wonderful.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 11:06 AM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

this might be one of those titles where we get an lp/original tracks
re-re-release, expansion.
brucer

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 12:00 PM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

Brainstorm blew me away when I first saw it, and I rushed out to get the album on vinyl (the TER release here in UK had gorgeous artwork). It cost me more than I could afford at the time but I loved it, and the CD edition was one of the first CDs I ever bought.

I've probably bored people senseless with upteen postings here over the years asking for a 'proper' original soundtrack release as opposed to the re-recording currently available. The album version is fine but whenever I watch the film (and in truth, it hasn't aged well) I am always struck by the music and wish we could have that version too, with some of the pieces unreleased. The short sequence prior to the Michaels Gift To Karen piece is exquisite.

I still think this is one of Horner's very best scores. It sounded so fresh when it came out. This and Field Of Dreams are probably my favourite Horner scores.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Ahhhh, from my early days of score listening.
I was still in my teens when I picked up the LP, based on the other enjoyable LP's I already had by this 'new kid on the block'.
It was a marvel, to say the least.
Remember those early days when every new Horner score was just so exciting. From the Korngold-esque KRULL, the Jerry meets Elmer BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS, the thrilling STAR TREK II, the icy beauty of GORKY PARK and the WTF of 48 HRS!!! wink
BRAINSTORM nestled amongst that lot like some grand magnum-opus.
I'll always remember the note Trumbull left on the LP that ended "Horner just turned 30...Frightening"
It must have been amazing working with him in those early 80's days.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   Mark Langdon   (Member)

I came late to this score, I first heard a track from it on the Varese 25th Anniversary compilation! But I immediately sought it out after hearing that track. It's definitely a Horner favourite for me now. Lillian's Heart Attack is one of his finest cues.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 1:31 PM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

My little sister (who's all growed-up with kids now) was exposed to lots of my scores when we were young-uns and she still maintains Michael's Gift To Karen is probably the most beautiful piece of music she has ever heard.
I'm not saying my little sister is the world's biggest authority on film music, but on this count, it's hard to argue with her.

 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I don't have it in recorded form; the salient parts of the music made sufficient temporal lobe dents that it could never really be forgotten. It's a bit like the scene with Fletcher and Walken - you can't do one more, no you can't, not one more.

See what I mean?

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 10:41 PM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

I have to mildly disagree with the sentiment that this needs a re-do. I think the album is just perfect as it is. I would of course snap up a deluxe all-original tracks version because I love the score so much, but it's funny, for a guy who's been called a hater on this board, I know this damned album note for note. It's got intimate cues and music for the ultimate big adventure--the afterlife--and yet at no point does anything feel cramped or overdone.

"Michael's Gift..." is one of the most beautiful tracks of film music I've ever heard.

 
 
 Posted:   May 4, 2012 - 11:34 PM   
 By:   peterproud   (Member)

Just pre-ordered this on bluray - should look outstanding if they did it right. "Michael's Gift To Karen" is without a doubt one of the very best moments in Horner's career...it works beautifully in the film and is so liltingly listenable away from it. It's a great score...can't imagine even Horner haters having a problem with this one.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2012 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

A great, great Horner score!

 
 Posted:   May 5, 2012 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   YOR The Hunter From The Future   (Member)

Question: the released material is a re-recording of the score with the London Symphony Orchestra or is the actual score from the film?

YOR always though it was a re-recording...

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2012 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   JSWalsh   (Member)

It is a re-recording.

 
 
 Posted:   May 5, 2012 - 8:43 AM   
 By:   Christian Reiffenrath   (Member)

The question i ask myself is how can the new blue-ray properly re-create the cinematic experience?

audio: maybe all the brainstorm sequences should be in DTS/ 5+.1 and all the normal stuff
just in dolby surround, without the rear speakers to have them explode each time it switches?
(the old dvd i have is only stereo)

video: the dvd already was 2.20:1 widescreen with the "standard" sequences pillarboxed, so there is a lot of black space in the movie (at least on my 40" samsung!) would it be better to have the film in 1.85:1 and only the brainstorm sequences with black bars at bottom and top? i think this would diminish the effect thou...

 
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