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 Posted:   Jul 20, 2012 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Last Child, change "virtually" for "literally" - it's the same cue, and credited on the Kritzerland disc. I can't wait to get my Intrada release of the full thing now!

well, it's the same written music but orchestrated slightly differently. More repetitions added between 1:20-1:40, and some other flourishes or changes that indicate it's not identical to tracks in WWC. I dont have the IMAM booklet in front of me, but maybe it indicates this?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2012 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Actually, Last Child, your response has made me ask a question which I meant to do earlier but didn't want to sound stupid. But here goes. Yes, those extra flourishes etc you mention could be because, according to the booklet, all the pieces for IMAMFOS were re-recorded during the musicians' strike. So that's where the difference in performance comes in, I suppose. But why did they have to go to the trouble of re-recording in the first place? Couldn't they just have tracked in the pieces from the previous movies?

If the answer is really obvious, I'm going to feel extremely stupid.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2012 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Actually, Last Child, your response has made me ask a question which I meant to do earlier but didn't want to sound stupid. But here goes. Yes, those extra flourishes etc you mention could be because, according to the booklet, all the pieces for IMAMFOS were re-recorded during the musicians' strike. So that's where the difference in performance comes in, I suppose. But why did they have to go to the trouble of re-recording in the first place? Couldn't they just have tracked in the pieces from the previous movies?

If the answer is really obvious, I'm going to feel extremely stupid.


It's all in the booklet. It was re-recorded because there was a musician's union strike at the time.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2012 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

It's all in the booklet. It was re-recorded because there was a musician's union strike at the time.

if anyone ever re-records WOW or WWC, I wish they would preserve the original "sound" like the IMAM track does. It easily passes for a virtually literal copy. wink

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2012 - 10:41 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

I'm sorry mr haines/ Bruce. I don't understand that answer. I understand that a musicians' union strike would stop any music being recorded in the USA/ Canada (which is why the pieces were re-recorded somewhere else)... but why would it stop studios simply re-tracking existing pieces (sort of like how Henry Mancini's WAIT UNTIL DARK and Ron Grainer's THE OMEGA MAN appeared in THE EYES OF CHARLES SAND during the musicians' strike in the early '70s)?

Pardon my ignorance. I did write a nice review of your CD, though!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2012 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I'm sorry mr haines/ Bruce. I don't understand that answer. I understand that a musicians' union strike would stop any music being recorded in the USA/ Canada (which is why the pieces were re-recorded somewhere else)... but why would it stop studios simply re-tracking existing pieces (sort of like how Henry Mancini's WAIT UNTIL DARK and Ron Grainer's THE OMEGA MAN appeared in THE EYES OF CHARLES SAND during the musicians' strike in the early '70s)?

Pardon my ignorance. I did write a nice review of your CD, though!


Well, they were not able to, from what I understand. I don't know enough about how that worked in the 1950s. Or perhaps the way they were adapting and using the cues meant they couldn't be tracked.

Appreciate the good review, and there is no ignorance involved - these things are complicated sometimes.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 18, 2012 - 5:05 PM   
 By:   Balcan   (Member)

Can please someone tell me why the first about 9 seconds of “Conquest Of The Space” (1955) are exactly the same of “I Married A Monster From Outer Space” main tile, but with better sound quality?

Here the audio samples:

http://www.intrada.net/sound/VCleaveCOS_17.m3u

http://www.kritzerland.com/monsterAtom_trax/01%20Paramount_Firmament_Prelude.mp3

What happened?

Thanks

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 18, 2012 - 5:46 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

Can please someone tell me why the first about 9 seconds of “Conquest Of The Space” (1955) are exactly the same of “I Married A Monster From Outer Space” main tile, but with better sound quality?

Here the audio samples:

http://www.intrada.net/sound/VCleaveCOS_17.m3u

http://www.kritzerland.com/monsterAtom_trax/01%20Paramount_Firmament_Prelude.mp3

What happened?

Thanks


If you'd read the notes then you'd know that I Married a Monster's tracks are all re-records done in, I believe, Mexico, due to a musician's union strike. That's "what happened?" In other words - different source material. Nothing for you to fret about, really.

Oh, and welcome to the board.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2012 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

This album really is entertaining to listen to! smile
Kritzerland has done so much over the past years for the preservation of film music, especially unearthing lost little gems from a library score like this to 40s Noir.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2012 - 8:32 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

It is indeed hugely entertaining, chriss. This is the one I've been doing my knob-twiddling exercises to (doctor's orders). I'm giving it just a little extra bass, something I rarely do (see my other thread), but which in this case seems to improve the slightly tinny treble throughout. I still think that the real gem musically is the excellent "second-feature" on the disc - Leith Stevens' THE ATOMIC CITY.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2012 - 12:57 PM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Quick question - What exactly is the music that makes up Track 1 of I MARRIED A MONSTER...? I know that three cues are credited as the source - Two from Van Cleave's CONQUEST OF SPACE and one from Victor Young's SO EVIL MY LOVE. I could never figure out where the Victor Young piece fits in. I know that the first 25 seconds at least are from CONQUEST OF SPACE, and I'd always assumed that the theme itself, the broodingly powerful piece that comes in at the 25-second mark, was from CONQUEST OF SPACE too, and that I'd just forgotten the music. But it's not on the Intrada CD which I've just received, so I suppose it's not that. And it doesn't sound anything like Victor Young either. So where does SO EVIL MY LOVE come in?

These are the things I think about on Sundays. Thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 22, 2013 - 4:24 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

Hello again - you'll have to read my previous post to know what I'm talking about here - so pay attention you at the back...

The "broodingly powerful" piece that makes up the bulk of the I MARRIED A MONSTER Main Titles also turns up in the tracked score for HELL'S ISLAND, from 1955. Listen from the 15-second mark to about 46 seconds in (which sounds like it's also curiously made up from two different recordings - you'll hear a splice at the 38-seconds mark).

Anyway, more than eight months later I'm still led to believe that it must be Victor Young's SO EVIL MY LOVE (read my previous post, you nutmegs)... but I'm just not getting a Victor Young vibe from it at all. So is it Victor Young or isn't it? Thanking you.

HELL'S ISLAND (1955) - PARAMOUNT STUDIOS TRACKED MUSIC - BY VICTOR YOUNG - OR NOT

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxoqXzgghds


-----------------------------EDIT-----------------------Part 3---------------------------------------------------------

Well, at the risk of boring you all senseless with this, I've just come across the sheet music online for the "Prelude" for SO EVIL MY LOVE. Although I can't read music, I can just about tell when the notes go up and down, and I'd say that it could very well be the IMAMFOS Main Titles after all. Still doesn't sound like Victor Young to me, and particularly not from a film as early as '48. But I want all you Young-sters to chime in and tell me how right or wrong I am. And Mr K of Kritzerland has every right to say that I should never have doubted the liner notes (but you'd have to read my November post to understand how the doubt arose).

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2013 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   Graham S. Watt   (Member)

I see that a lot of the intelligent elderly experts are currently posting, so I'm bumping this in the hope that one of them can answer my questions which I started last November.

Thank you!

 
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