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 Posted:   May 29, 2012 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   dan the man   (Member)

Oh back around , i guess 2004 or so on a warm nice summer Monday night i remember heading home from work and hearing that main theme zooming through midtown Manhattan while they were showing the movie Charade on their HBO outdoor summer night movies on Mondays[i wonder if they still have that series?] Walking during dusk hearing that melody really gave me a nice calm feeling and also reminded me a hell of a good melody it is.

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2012 - 6:48 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



Interesting, I've never owned the mono album.

I've heard purists also say the mono mixes of The Beatles' early LPs are superior. Apparently at that time, stereo was such a small market that much more care was put into creating mono masters than stereo ones...

For that reason, the first few Beatles albums were made available in both mono and stereo versions when they were recently remastered on CD.


As far as music aimed at kids - and the Beatles would have fit into this category - good stereo was not even a serious consideration.

For "adult" music - classical, jazz, showtunes, soundtracks, standards - more thought and work ostensibly went into the stereo mixes/recordings. But the results could still be varied. Think about it: They'd been perfecting mono recording/mixing for more than fifty years, and then they had to quickly deal with stereo in just a few years. There was a learning curve, and there were also opposing mindsets as to what constituted "good" stereo. Sometimes they got it right, sometimes not.

Mancini's "Combo" and "Mr. Lucky" albums sound fantastic in stereo. "Peter Gunn" has lots of reverb in stereo and the balances are off, so the mono sounds better in that case. "Charade" is by no means bad in stereo, compared to other things from that time, but the mono is better.

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2012 - 8:13 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)

For "adult" music - classical, jazz, showtunes, soundtracks, standards - more thought and work ostensibly went into the stereo mixes/recordings. But the results could still be varied. Think about it: They'd been perfecting mono recording/mixing for more than fifty years, and then they had to quickly deal with stereo in just a few years. There was a learning curve, and there were also opposing mindsets as to what constituted "good" stereo. Sometimes they got it right, sometimes not.

Mancini's "Combo" and "Mr. Lucky" albums sound fantastic in stereo. "Peter Gunn" has lots of reverb in stereo and the balances are off, so the mono sounds better in that case. "Charade" is by no means bad in stereo, compared to other things from that time, but the mono is better.


I'm curious though, have you ever heard the XRCD of the Charade album? To my ears, it sounds staggering, like Mancini is in the room. Perhaps it was remixed or something...



http://www.amazon.com/Charade-Henry-Mancini/dp/B00005LVZ2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1338347668&sr=8-1

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2012 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)



I'm curious though, have you ever heard the XRCD of the Charade album? To my ears, it sounds staggering, like Mancini is in the room. Perhaps it was remixed or something...



I have not, but I would love too. It is possible that it was either improved through mastering or even remixing. The six Charade tracks on the compilation that I mentioned earlier were remixed, and they sound much better on there than they do on the original stereo album.

Edit: Regarding the XRCD album, I hope it sounds staggering, at that price. wink

 
 
 Posted:   May 29, 2012 - 10:16 PM   
 By:   jamesluckard   (Member)



I'm curious though, have you ever heard the XRCD of the Charade album? To my ears, it sounds staggering, like Mancini is in the room. Perhaps it was remixed or something...



I have not, but I would love too. It is possible that it was either improved through mastering or even remixing. The six Charade tracks on the compilation that I mentioned earlier were remixed, and they sound much better on there than they do on the original stereo album.

Edit: Regarding the XRCD album, I hope it sounds staggering, at that price. wink


I bought it when it came out, it was about $20 - $30. They issued about 10 or 20 albums from the RCA catalog, trying to get the new format going, but it never took off. It plays on conventional CD players though.

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2012 - 5:22 AM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

Along with some of the others mentioned already, I have a cover by Bobby Darin which is a snappy uptempo version. It's on the Wild Cool & Swingin Too album from the Capitol Ultra Lounge series.

...

2 great vocal versions are by Bobby Darin and Blossom Dearie.


The Bobby Darin album isn't available presently but I shall keep open the thought of a recording by him as I do like a lot of his works ... especially the earlier stuff. I don't know Blossom Dearie's material and having checked out her album which includes the song Charade I feel she's not one for me ...

... but thank you for the suggestions.

Mitch.


Mitch it's available on the Willd Cool & Swingin too CD or on the MP3 album (or as separate mp3) download at Amazon.

You can find a sample of it here (the third selection):

http://www.amazon.com/Wild-Cool-Swingin-Too-Lounge/dp/B000002UH8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1338380409&sr=8-3

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2012 - 5:45 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

...

Mitch it's available on the Willd Cool & Swingin too CD or on the MP3 album (or as separate mp3) download at Amazon.

You can find a sample of it here (the third selection):

http://www.amazon.com/Wild-Cool-Swingin-Too-Lounge/dp/B000002UH8/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1338380409&sr=8-3


Ah, thank you for the suggestion and link ... I had tried Amazon UK only. Having listened to the clip I'm not going to rush to buy. Enjoyable as it is, I do think it sounds very rushed (and it times in at under 1'50"!). Compare this to my favourite version ... Jack Jones accompanied by pianist Roger Williams (which times in at 3'15"):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Charade/dp/B003Y7586W/ref=sr_1_cc_1?s=aps&ie=UTF8&qid=1338381629&sr=1-1-catcorr

(from JJ's album: Wives and Lovers (1963))

NP: This is Darin (1960) - Bobby Darin, Richard Wess

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2012 - 6:03 AM   
 By:   Mark Ford   (Member)

Ah, thank you for the suggestion and link ... I had tried Amazon UK only. Having listened to the clip I'm not going to rush to buy. Enjoyable as it is, I do think it sounds very rushed (and it times in at under 1'50"!). Compare this to my favourite version ... Jack Jones accompanied by pianist Roger Williams (which times in at 3'15").

I did say "uptempo" didn't I...and I sure wasn't kidding! smile

 
 Posted:   May 30, 2012 - 6:04 AM   
 By:   Josh "Swashbuckler" Gizelt   (Member)

Like most of my Mancini from this era, I have the LP and never picked up any CD version… until now.

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2012 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   fleming   (Member)

There´s a nice bossa nova version of the "Charade" theme on jazz saxophonist Stan Getz´s album "Reflections". Arrangements by none other than Lalo Schifrin.

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2012 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   Joe E.   (Member)

I don't have any yet, alas. I'm actually a bit relieved to see I'm not the only one here who doesn't have it yet. I definitely plan to get this new release, though. I agree the music is terrific, as is the whole film for which it was composed, and I want both in my library (I used to have Criterion's first DVD edition of the movie, but sold it off when I was desperate for money and also correctly guessed they'd do an anamorphic upgrade at some point, but I still haven't gotten around to getting the latter yet, and now at this point I'm holding off on most DVD releases in favor of Blu-ray, though I don't have a BD player yet).

Mancini is one of the most underrepresented composers in my music library in proportion to how much I enjoy his music (that is, I love his stuff, but have so little of it).

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2012 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I have four versions: the CD (Spanish RCA), an arrangement of the main theme by the London Festival Orchestra conducted by Stanley Black (Film Spectacular), the Si Zentner arrangement on Capitol, and a Nelson Riddle version on Capitol. But I'll definitely get this new release of the actual score.

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2012 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

There´s a nice bossa nova version of the "Charade" theme on jazz saxophonist Stan Getz´s album "Reflections". Arrangements by none other than Lalo Schifrin.

Thank you ... I've listened to the clips of the whole album and. again, don't think this one is for me (the reviews on Amazon suggest it is an unusual album for the artist). I like the clip for Charade but I'm not into MP3 (with a few specific exceptions) so will pass.

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2012 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I have four versions: the CD (Spanish RCA), an arrangement of the main theme by the London Festival Orchestra conducted by Stanley Black (Film Spectacular), the Si Zentner arrangement on Capitol, and a Nelson Riddle version on Capitol. But I'll definitely get this new release of the actual score.

Ah, both the SB and NR versions should be on my radar so I'll look out for those ... I recently bought 2 double CDs of material by NR but that was all from the 1950s.

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2012 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

...

I did say "uptempo" didn't I...and I sure wasn't kidding! smile


Touché

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2012 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I've never been interested in cover versions of things.

...


I don't deny there are many less-than-satisfactory cover versions out there (and many in my collection when it comes to themes from the JB007 scores) but I think it's a bit restrictive to shut out the idea of cover versions, per se.

Bear in mind that a large proportion (if not all) of the Great American Songbook material - which we know and love(?) - started life in an original version which we do not hear today. e.g. Frank Sinatra's seminal 1955 recording of I've Got You Under My Skin (arranged and conducted by Nelson Riddle) is a cover of the song originally aired in the 1936 musical Born to Dance. I assume a recording of that original is available but I doubt I'd ever want to swop it for the FS recording.

Whilst I would not promote all and every version of a theme/song just because the melody is nice, a recording of a theme/song by an artist totally separated from the film score can produce wonderful results.

But then, I'm much more interested in easy-listening music than I used to be smile

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2012 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   roy phillippe   (Member)

I do own an original LP from 1963 with a very Bondian cover design.
The artwork is by Bond main title designer Maurice Binder.

 
 
 Posted:   May 30, 2012 - 8:08 AM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

Cover versions?

An oddball subject in these parts. Well somewhere I have Jerry Murad and the Harmonicats doing that theme on an LP with other movie hits like LAWRENCE OF ARABIA, THE PRIZE , MAD MAD WORLD, LOVE WITH THE PROPER STRANGER, CLEOPATRA, THE CARDINAL, THE PINK PANTHER and an inspired by SEVEN DAYS IN MAY. I'd get anything film music in those days, not a lot of soundtracks available.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerry-Murad-Harmonicats-Love-Song-Of-Tom-Jones-CL-2166-/150548869789?pt=Music_on_Vinyl&hash=item230d69729d

 
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