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Let me lighten the mood (I'm long since removed from the worlds of Clarke and Hyams) and I don't want to come off like some banshee every time Hyams or Clarke is mentioned. How about a little game? Can anyone spot at least 2 temp score cue influences in David Shire's score to Peter Hyams' 2010? It's subtle - and of course I know the actual sources Peter used -- but the keen ear may just pick up on it. I was gonna save all this stuff for my book - THE FAN WHO FELL TO EARTH(c)(tm) - but the hell with that..., During production on 2010 at MGM (and after Tony Banks was let go from composing chores) - Peter called me into his office and handed me a sheet of paper with a list of composers he'd written down. Peter then asked me, out of the list - which composer would I like to see get the job of scoring 2010. I read the list carefully then said, 'David Shire'! Shire (like John Williams) is a very soft spoken and humble gentleman. I ain't saying it was all due to me that Shire got the gig - but, I'm just saying...!
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Jun 4, 2012 - 6:07 PM
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dogplant
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Dogplant - go ahead and preach! I can clearly see you were referencing 2010: odyssey two. I read fast and started my finger a wagging! My bad! No problem at all, Steve. It's great to read your recollections about Sir Arthur, etc. I dug out my old copy of "Lost Worlds" and found the section that lodged in my brain about the "2001" shared author credits, pardon the blurry bits: I love flipping through this book, particularly the parts about Clarke and Kubrick hatching the plot over months of conversations in the Chelsea Hotel, in NYC, where Arthur wrote pages that Stanley would critique, keeping ideas flowing freely in prose form before turning them into a screenplay. My favorite anecdote from this period was Kubrick telling Clarke, 'I can film anything you write,' or words to that effect, which I always found to be inspiring. Most copies of the "2001" book these days only carry Clarke's name on the cover, but the author credit on my old UK Signet paperback was 'a novel by Arthur C. Clarke based on the screenplay by Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke' so I always thought of it that way. Hope your own book becomes a reality.
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right back at'cha doggy! As you know, UK and USA publications sometimes differ in various ways - covers, design - and sometimes, even credits. I just noticed your profile and that your favorite score is JAWS - and you used the best line from the best movie ever. We're soul mates!!! Since we're on the 2001/2010 train together -- I had the great opportunity to have lunch with Stanley while traveling with Arthur in the U.K. (probably around the time we were shooting Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World). It was just Stanley, Arthur, and me. Stanley's wife had made us her homemade meatloaf - but she had to split for a previous appointment. It was just freaking awesomely amazing to sit down and have lunch next to Kubrick. I also got to check out his room full of shelves holding every classical LP album ever pressed!
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I'd have been curious to see what a 2061 film could've been like, but then I'd be worried about someone trying to adapt 3001; and I didn't care for that entry, at all. I haven't read all of Clarke's books, but of those I have I've found I prefer his standalone novels over series (in much the same way I find Stephen King better with short stories than full novels). The Odyssey books were a bit of an exception, as I enjoyed reading the first 3 and only disliked the last (but they aren't exactly a linear continuity, so maybe you don't even need to consider them a series to begin with). But the Rama books... oh boy, I could only stomach the first one. I loved the first one, actually, which made the subsequent three that much harder to bear; but I usually blame Gentry Lee for that.
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RAMA was slated to be made into a movie by Morgan Freeman's production company - something has stalled its progress. CHILDHOOD'S END - the film rights were held by Kirk Douglas for many years - but the series V and the film INDEPENDENCE DAY basically ripped into that book a bit - at least in the form of imagery. Robert Swarthe and Robert Schinella wrote a fantastic screenplay of THE FOUNTAINS OF PARADISE - (Swarthe did animation effects on CE3K, STAR TREK - TMP, and THE OUTSIDERS - Schinella was a pioneer in art design and holographic imaging in New York back in the 60's & 70's). Two amazingly talented and intelligent men - I adore them both. I have a copy of the original screenplay - and it's a very good attempt at adapting a lengthy and complex story. When we used to chat together about FOP - the 'two Bob's' (as Arthur called them) talked about how they wanted Sean Connery to portray Vannevar Morgan (for those familiar with the book). I really wanted to see that project happen - and I even created a temp score track (from existing music - not my own) and made many notes and shopped the script around Los Angeles as best I could back in 1985. I would love to see A FALL OF MOONDUST adapted. It would make a fine AIRPORT type disaster flick under the right director. Arthur's THE LIGHT OF OTHER DAYS (co-written with Stephen Baxter) could also make for some nifty entertainment!
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Jul 12, 2017 - 8:09 AM
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Ado
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2010 is a fine film, really not much similar to 2001, and Hyams was a somewhat odd choice to follow Kubrick. Hyams falls into some overly literal narrative in 2010, and the parts about Russians and politics do not age this picture very well, and neither does the apparition or whatever of Bowman. Hyams is a pretty good technician though, and the superb practical model work and the excellent production design put this picture a notch above. In addition there are some excellent actors on board this film. Personally I prefer Hyams earlier work, the much underappreciated Outland, a stripped down R science fiction picture, which also had superb effects and set work, as well as that brilliant Goldsmith score, and of course Connery.
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