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I beg to strongly differ from other opinions expressed here about this score. The references to previous themes are short and no doubt important in the context of the film. I found there to be an absolute treasure trove of new material - and some of it in the form of an incredible tease. There are MANY new themes introduced, they are just a little more subtle than usual. e.g. 70 minutes into the score Shore introduces a wonderful melody in the cue 'Over Hill'. It's a bold, heroic theme which is NOT developed fully. I have the distinct impression there will be a tremendous musical evolution over all alleged three parts of 'The Hobbit' story. I challenge all to give this score repeat listenings to discover the multitude of new themes which are not so obvious on first pass.
p.s. And yes I am thankful to the label which seems to have included enough material so that I won't have to buy a 5-disc, 5.1 mix later on. Ha!
I agree with your assessment. I am going through it a 2nd time, and as I mentioned before, this is a different beast from the LOTR scores. In fact, it suffers by having come after those and hence unfair comaparisons are going to be made. There is a lot of subtle material which is also found in the more bombastic elements as well.
I should also add that different folk will approach the score differently so I can understand it may not be to their taste.
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Dec 13, 2012 - 12:58 PM
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I just finished my first listen to the Special Edition (I avoided all the streaming, so this is my first taste of the score outside of the music presented in the theatrical trailer). I think it's very good. Not as gripping, on first listen, to me as Fellowship of the Ring was, but as good as my first listens of Two Towers and Return of the King were. Like those scores, it'll take a few listens for me to reconcile this with the rest of the music of Middle Earth. At that point, it'll become part of the same tapestry, so to speak. Great job to Shore, because it definitely evokes the sound of his previous LOTR scores without treading much familiar ground (except the few moments where indicated by returns of preexisting characters, etc).
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Hiya everyone,
Since I bought both the Standard Edition and Special Edition of the An Unexpected Journey OSTs, I figured I should compare them to make sure there wasn't music on the Standard Edition that could not be found on the Special Edition. And guess what I found? There are THREE tracks with music on the Standard Edition NOT in the Special Edition!
Here's my spreadsheet that breaks it all down:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AjiRtgP4_o4TdHdFUExoRi1GMjlxRjl6V0hXY2JKU1E&output=html
All comparisons were done with my own FLAC rips of the USA Water Tower Records versions of both releases.
Basically,
1:51-2:31 of Old Friends on the Standard Edition is not found on the Special Edition! It's a nice whistle version of the Shire theme followed by music that recalls the Fireworks music from FOTR. In its place at roughly the same time stamp on the Special Edition version is the Rural setting of the Shire theme, basically straight out of Concerning Hobbits from FOTR. No fireworks music at all. I would guess this is just two different approaches to the same scene. The fireworks works is really missed on the SE version!
In Roast Mutton, 2:07-3:23 on the Standard Edition appears to be a re-scored version of the piece with the approximate same timestamp on the Special Edition. While the SE version uses a more mellow version of the Plan 9 theme and them some non-thematic underscore, the Standard OST version uses a high-energy, adrenaline-pumping version of the Plan 9 theme, and a little while later the Plan 9 theme plays again. This bit is really awesome!
The final bit of music on the Standard Edition that is not in the SE version is at the ending of Moon Runes, from 2:42-2:57. This is a lovely quiet setting of one of the Dwarf themes, in its place at roughly 3:08-3:19 on the SE is a woodwind version of the same theme.
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To my ears, the mixes were IDENTICAL on all the tracks that were the same on both editions.
In the cases where there was two different versions of the same track, the mixes were BASICALLY IDENTICAL, maybe some VERY VERY minor differences around where the changes happen.
It should be noted that on BOTH CD versions, for whatever reason the songs are mixed quieter than the rest of the score tracks. I have no idea why they would chose to do that.
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Dec 13, 2012 - 2:20 PM
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Important credits information from the digital booklet and cover of the album:
As screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/RJVOJ.jpg
As text;
All compositions by Howard Shore except:
Portions of Disc 1: Tracks 8, 12; Disc 2: Tracks 5, 17 contain excerpts of the
“Misty Mountains” song composed by David Donaldson, David Long, Steve Roche and Janet Roddick.
“Blunt the Knives”
Lyrics by J.R.R. Tolkien
Music Composed by Stephen Gallagher
Performed by Jed Brophy, Adam Brown, John Callen, Mark Hadlow, Peter Hambleton, Stephen Hunter, William Kircher, Graham McTavish, James Nesbitt, Dean O’Gorman, Ken Stott, Aidan Turner
Produced by Stephen Gallagher
Mixed by Ed Cherney
“Misty Mountains”
Lyrics by J.R.R. Tolkien
Music Composed by David Donaldson, David Long, Steve Roche and Janet Roddick
Performed by Richard Armitage With Jed Brophy, Adam Brown, John Callen, Mark Hadlow, Peter Hambleton, Stephen Hunter, William Kircher, Graham McTavish, James Nesbitt, Dean O’Gorman, Ken Stott and Aidan Turner
Produced by Plan 9 and David Long
Mixed by Ed Cherney
“Song of the Lonely Mountain”
Lyrics by Neil Finn
Music Composed by Neil Finn, David Donaldson, Steve Roche, Janet Roddick and David Long
Performed by Neil Finn
Produced by Neil Finn, Elroy Finn, Liam Finn
Mixed by Dave Fridmann
Recorded and engineered by Jason Huss at Roundhead
Strings performed by the London Metropolitan Orchestra
Conducted by James Brett
Orchestra Leader: Tom Kemp
Strings Recorded and Mixed by Lewis Jones
Assistant Engineer: Toby Hulbert
Strings Arranged by Victoria Kelly
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The more music the better, as far as I'm concerned. I'd prefer Complete Recordings of all the scores I buy honestly. The LotR CRs are the crown jewels of my collection, and I barely play the original albums anymore. So I'm overjoyed with the Hobbit releases. 
On a separate note, does anybody know what's going on with Doug Adams' blog? It's been down for a couple days now.
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I watched the film once at 48fps today, and then at 24fps.
In the 48fps version, I my impression was that the editing of the music was quite atrocious (so much so that any lifting of music directly from The Lord of the Rings was the least of my concerns).
All of these problems disappeared in the 24fps version.
I know this sounds bizarre, and I don't entirely understand the cause of it. But it seems that the HFR format affected not only my perception of movement and detail in the images (which I was entirely prepared for and didn't have any problem with) but also my perception of more general aspects of the film such as its structure and pacing. Everything felt somehow disjointed and clumsily put together, from scene to scene, from shot to shot, from line to line, and from cue to cue. But all of these things flowed more naturally and elegantly in the 24fps version.
The images themselves look gobsmackingly brilliant in 48fps. It was really amazing. I'll be going to see it in that format again as soon as I can in the anticipation that, as I become accustomed to it, the other problems will reduce accordingly.
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Hiya everyone,
Since I bought both the Standard Edition and Special Edition of the An Unexpected Journey OSTs, I figured I should compare them to make sure there wasn't music on the Standard Edition that could not be found on the Special Edition. And guess what I found? There are THREE tracks with music on the Standard Edition NOT in the Special Edition!
Here's my spreadsheet that breaks it all down:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AjiRtgP4_o4TdHdFUExoRi1GMjlxRjl6V0hXY2JKU1E&output=html
All comparisons were done with my own FLAC rips of the USA Water Tower Records versions of both releases.
Basically,
1:51-2:31 of Old Friends on the Standard Edition is not found on the Special Edition! It's a nice whistle version of the Shire theme followed by music that recalls the Fireworks music from FOTR. In its place at roughly the same time stamp on the Special Edition version is the Rural setting of the Shire theme, basically straight out of Concerning Hobbits from FOTR. No fireworks music at all. I would guess this is just two different approaches to the same scene. The fireworks works is really missed on the SE version!
In Roast Mutton, 2:07-3:23 on the Standard Edition appears to be a re-scored version of the piece with the approximate same timestamp on the Special Edition. While the SE version uses a more mellow version of the Plan 9 theme and them some non-thematic underscore, the Standard OST version uses a high-energy, adrenaline-pumping version of the Plan 9 theme, and a little while later the Plan 9 theme plays again. This bit is really awesome!
The final bit of music on the Standard Edition that is not in the SE version is at the ending of Moon Runes, from 2:42-2:57. This is a lovely quiet setting of one of the Dwarf themes, in its place at roughly 3:08-3:19 on the SE is a woodwind version of the same theme.
Sheesh. I have had (due to my own demands) to stump up some cash for the Watertower release due to the rubbish Decca? cardborad sleeve which is seriously annoying to me if you want to extract the discs for listening plus its very poor quality generally. Now I'm going to stump up some more for the OST for these extra titbits.
But thanks for posting this information. Good work.
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but thanks for the suggestion.
