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 Posted:   Oct 15, 2012 - 11:45 AM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

He did three, in the main (I'm not gonna include Valley Of The Dolls).
FSM closed the book on GOODBYE MR CHIPS with their stupendous 3 disc celebration.

Oh how I wish they could have issued similar releases for FIDDLER ON THE ROOF and TOM SAWYER.
FOTR did get an anniversary upgrade some years ago, but it only added a few (very brief AND with dialogue) cues of Williams' Oscar winning score to the mix. Catching some of the film on telly last night had me yearning for more!
TOM SAWYER is the score I yearn for the most though. Hidden within the film is about 15-25 minutes of that wonderful JW Americana sound that he does so well. Varese may have harmed any hopes of an expansion for this one with their re-issue of the old song LP, but one never knows.
Deluxe reissues/expansions of the latter two are up near the top of my 'most wanted' list of hoped for things to come.
What say you?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2012 - 12:40 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, a release of the score bits from TOM SAWYER would be nice. There's a brilliant cue as Tom and Huckleberry Finn leave on a raft, if memory serves, that is excellent.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2012 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   KansanN323   (Member)

I absolutely agree with you. I recently re-watched TOM SAWYER and loved the underscore and the unedited songs (usually what was edited out was wonderful instrumental sections) especially the opening of the movie. I have always loved FIDDLER ON THE ROOF and have the expanded CD. The additional tracks are wonderful. The "First Act Finale" could have been an alternate cue from THE FURY. "The Bottle Dance" has been a favorite cue since I was a child.

I guess since a 3 CD set of GOODBYE, MR. CHIPS became a reality a complete TOM SAWYER could someday happen... or at least I keep telling myself that.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2012 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Although the LP versions of FIDDLER ON THE ROOF were on United Artists records, the CD versions have been on the EMI Capitol label (a situation not unlike the early James Bond soundtracks). Assuming that the original FIDDLER tracks still lie at MGM, this would require some deal to be made.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2012 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   Kev McGann   (Member)

Yeah, the expanded opening of TS is great, not unlike his Conrack Main Title from the same period. I also love how he just keeps repeating those two opening notes from the song How Come? while Tom chats to Becky (Jodie Foster). The darker, scary music for the Indian Joe scenes recall his Dracula score, to my mind and the Saying Farewell track near the end is heartbreakingly tender (or tenderly heartbreaking). I recall a brief scherzo cue as well when the kids jump into the river.
Somebody please release this beauty!!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 2:16 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I just came across a Columbia LP of Frankie Laine western ballads ("Hell Bent for Leather!") that was conducted by "Johnny Williams." And of course, FSM released Williams' Columbia LP "Rhythm In Motion" (on their CHECKMATE CD) in which he conducts popular showtunes.

That got me thinking. Has Thor, or someone else, catalogued all of Williams' conducting assignments for music other than his own?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 2:27 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I just came across a Columbia LP of Frankie Laine western ballads ("Hell Bent for Leather!") that was conducted by "Johnny Williams." And of course FSM released Williams' Columbia LP "Rhythm In Motion" (on their CHECKMATE CD) in which he conducts popular showtunes.

That got me thinking. Has Thor, or someone else, catalogued all of Williams' conducting assignments for music other than his own?


Conducting? No. That would seem like an unsurmountable task, given all the concerts he's held over the years, for a myriad of different orchestras. Not to mention the album recordings. There are so many ways to catalogue Williams.

A more doable -- but still very difficult -- task is to catalogue his work as arranger on various jazz albums and film scores. It's in this category that the Laine album you mention would fall.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 2:33 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I just came across a Columbia LP of Frankie Laine western ballads ("Hell Bent for Leather!") that was conducted by "Johnny Williams." And of course FSM released Williams' Columbia LP "Rhythm In Motion" (on their CHECKMATE CD) in which he conducts popular showtunes.

That got me thinking. Has Thor, or someone else, catalogued all of Williams' conducting assignments for music other than his own?


Conducting? No. That would seem like an unsurmountable task, given all the concerts he's held over the years, for a myriad of different orchestras. Not to mention the album recordings. There are so many ways to catalogue Williams.

A more doable -- but still very difficult -- task is to catalogue his work as arranger on various jazz albums and film scores. It's in this category that the Laine album you mention would fall.


I was really only thinking of his conducting or arranging for recordings or films, rather than for live concerts. At least there you have organized discographies and physical products to aid you rather than just uncatalogued concert programs.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 2:39 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I was really only thinking of his conducting or arranging for recordings or films, rather than for live concerts.

I see. Well, conducting and arranging are still two very different things.

Curiously, I've not been able to find any arranging work by Williams in 1956, which is when he allegedly moved back to LA, only a few jazz albums. Except for an uncredited bit on CAROUSEL, which was most likely late 1955 or during a midyear trip to LA (Williams was in NY in 1955).

In 1957, things pick up a bit for the composer -- both in terms arranging for films and more jazz albums. But still he doesn't get his first scoring assignment untill DADDY-O in the spring of 1958.

The challenge is to chart Williams' work as a) pianist and b) arranger on other people's music, both film scores and jazz albums, between 1956 and 1958, in particular. I still have a way to go here. Conducting I'm less concerned with.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 3:18 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

I just came across a Columbia LP of Frankie Laine western ballads ("Hell Bent for Leather!") that was conducted by "Johnny Williams." ... Has Thor, or someone else, catalogued all of Williams' conducting assignments for music other than his own?

I bought that 1961 vinyl LP very many years ago and have only recently replaced it with the CD release. Are you aware that Johnny Williams provided the honours on two other Frankie Laine albums: Deuces Wild in 1961 and Call of the Wild in 1962?

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

The challenge is to chart Williams' work as a) pianist and b) arranger on other people's music, both film scores and jazz albums, between 1956 and 1958, in particular. I still have a way to go here. Conducting I'm less concerned with.


I've come across one 1956 album on which Williams played:

ABC-Paramount Records - ABC 167 - In Three Attitudes - Jimmy Raney [1956] - Jimmy Raney (guitar), Bob Brookmeyer (valve trombone), Al Cohn (tenor sax), Hall Overton, Johnny Williams (piano), Red Mitchell, Whitey Mitchell (bass), Osie Johnson, Jack Edie (drums).
SONGS: So In Love / Indian Summer / Fanfare / Last Night When We Were Young / On The Rocks / Passport to Pimlico / Strike Up the Band / Up in Quincy's Room

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 1:00 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I also came across this LP, "Johnny Desmond Swings," on which Williams conducted, if nothing else. One report says that this set was recorded in January 1958 with an 18-piece band, and originally appeared on the Tops Records label (L1635).



The LP's tracks were:

1. Intro: Johnny Warms Up
2. There's A Small Hotel
3. All Of You
4. The Last Time I Saw Paris
5. I Can't Get Started (With You)
6. I Got Plenty O' Nuttin'
7. It's The Talk Of The Town
8. You'd Be So Nice To Come To
9. It Ain't Necessarily So
10. Tenderly
11. Old Devil Moon
12. My Happy Time
13. This Can't Be Love

Sometime in the 1960s, it was reissued by Craftsman Records (C 8030), and retitled "Johnny Desmond Sings for Dancing " - Johnny Desmond with the John T. Williams Orchestra. Tracks 1 and 10 were eliminated on the reissue.





 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The challenge is to chart Williams' work as a) pianist and b) arranger on other people's music, both film scores and jazz albums, between 1956 and 1958, in particular. I still have a way to go here. Conducting I'm less concerned with.


I've come across one 1956 album on which Williams played:

ABC-Paramount Records - ABC 167 - In Three Attitudes - Jimmy Raney [1956] - Jimmy Raney (guitar), Bob Brookmeyer (valve trombone), Al Cohn (tenor sax), Hall Overton, Johnny Williams (piano), Red Mitchell, Whitey Mitchell (bass), Osie Johnson, Jack Edie (drums).
SONGS: So In Love / Indian Summer / Fanfare / Last Night When We Were Young / On The Rocks / Passport to Pimlico / Strike Up the Band / Up in Quincy's Room


Oh, he plays on several albums in 1956 -- including the recording of his own, first solo album THE JOHN TOWNER TOUCH (released in 1957). But I've not been able to find any FILMS where he works as either pianist or arranger. Except the small bit on CAROUSEL.

All of these albums you guys mention are well-known to us hardcore JW buffs, but maybe not to the majority here. There are dozens upon dozens more out there!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 4:04 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I've not been able to find any FILMS where he works as either pianist or arranger. Except the small bit on CAROUSEL.


The Internet Movie Data Base lists Williams as an uncredited musician on 1958's SOUTH PACIFIC and 1959's CITY OF FEAR and SOME LIKE IT HOT. But oddly, it doesn't seem to list him on one film where he is credited as a musician--1957's HOT ROD RUMBLE. Take a look at the credit card at the end, at 1:16:37.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I mean in 1956. I've not been able to find anything there beyond CAROUSEL. He's got several films to his credit from 1957 and onwards.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Despite what one user here said, IMDb is user contributed. If you see a credit missing, scroll to the bottom of Williams' page or the page for the film, click the yellow EDIT button, and add it to Music Dept.

But even then, IMDb says they only take in select submissions.

 
 Posted:   Oct 31, 2013 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   Krakatoa   (Member)

The Oscar-nominated arrangements of the Sherman Brothers songs in "Tom Sawyer" are really splendid. This would make for one fascinating expanded CD album and a nice companion to the CD's of the classy Oscar-winning Williams arrangements for Jerry Bock's "Fiddler on the Roof" tunes.

 
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