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Oct 30, 2013 - 3:39 AM
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Thor
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I was really only thinking of his conducting or arranging for recordings or films, rather than for live concerts.
I see. Well, conducting and arranging are still two very different things.
Curiously, I've not been able to find any arranging work by Williams in 1956, which is when he allegedly moved back to LA, only a few jazz albums. Except for an uncredited bit on CAROUSEL, which was most likely late 1955 or during a midyear trip to LA (Williams was in NY in 1955).
In 1957, things pick up a bit for the composer -- both in terms arranging for films and more jazz albums. But still he doesn't get his first scoring assignment untill DADDY-O in the spring of 1958.
The challenge is to chart Williams' work as a) pianist and b) arranger on other people's music, both film scores and jazz albums, between 1956 and 1958, in particular. I still have a way to go here. Conducting I'm less concerned with.
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Oct 30, 2013 - 1:33 PM
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The challenge is to chart Williams' work as a) pianist and b) arranger on other people's music, both film scores and jazz albums, between 1956 and 1958, in particular. I still have a way to go here. Conducting I'm less concerned with.
I've come across one 1956 album on which Williams played:
ABC-Paramount Records - ABC 167 - In Three Attitudes - Jimmy Raney [1956] - Jimmy Raney (guitar), Bob Brookmeyer (valve trombone), Al Cohn (tenor sax), Hall Overton, Johnny Williams (piano), Red Mitchell, Whitey Mitchell (bass), Osie Johnson, Jack Edie (drums).
SONGS: So In Love / Indian Summer / Fanfare / Last Night When We Were Young / On The Rocks / Passport to Pimlico / Strike Up the Band / Up in Quincy's Room
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Oct 30, 2013 - 4:14 PM
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Thor
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The challenge is to chart Williams' work as a) pianist and b) arranger on other people's music, both film scores and jazz albums, between 1956 and 1958, in particular. I still have a way to go here. Conducting I'm less concerned with.
I've come across one 1956 album on which Williams played:
ABC-Paramount Records - ABC 167 - In Three Attitudes - Jimmy Raney [1956] - Jimmy Raney (guitar), Bob Brookmeyer (valve trombone), Al Cohn (tenor sax), Hall Overton, Johnny Williams (piano), Red Mitchell, Whitey Mitchell (bass), Osie Johnson, Jack Edie (drums).
SONGS: So In Love / Indian Summer / Fanfare / Last Night When We Were Young / On The Rocks / Passport to Pimlico / Strike Up the Band / Up in Quincy's Room
Oh, he plays on several albums in 1956 -- including the recording of his own, first solo album THE JOHN TOWNER TOUCH (released in 1957). But I've not been able to find any FILMS where he works as either pianist or arranger. Except the small bit on CAROUSEL.
All of these albums you guys mention are well-known to us hardcore JW buffs, but maybe not to the majority here. There are dozens upon dozens more out there!
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Despite what one user here said, IMDb is user contributed. If you see a credit missing, scroll to the bottom of Williams' page or the page for the film, click the yellow EDIT button, and add it to Music Dept.
But even then, IMDb says they only take in select submissions.
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So, the years passed, and they ALL came to be.
We now have Super Deluxe Editions of John Williams' three late 60s/early 70s Musical Score Adaptations on CD.
A 2 Disc TOM SAWYER set from Quartet Records was joined by a 3 Disc FIDDLER ON THE ROOF edition more recently from LLL.
Now that the dust has settled, how do you rate them in order?
TOM SAWYER still reigns supreme for me.
The Sherman Bros songs are just so much FUN and the JW Americana scoring is sublime (I wish for better sound on the CD, but beggars can't be choosers and it's still a joy to have and hear).
GOODBYE MR CHIPS would be 2nd.
The songs can come off as more 'monologues and conversations' than actual song songs at times, but they do grow on you and Williams' orchestrations and embellishments are spectacular, blurring the line between where Bricusse starts and Williams ends.
The score tracks in CHIPS are brilliant too, even if most of them went unused in the film.
I do enjoy FIDDLER ON THE ROOF too, but the songs don't engage me as much as the other two and there's less JW score than the other two as well (or it feels like anyway).
So, as the old saying goes. that's last but my no means least.
But I love the fact ALL THREE are a thing.
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