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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1      General Discussion: NEW PERSEVERANCE: Battle Of The Bulge   Last Post   Posted:   Oct 16, 2012 - 2:46 PM     By:   Programguru123   (Member) First time ever released on CD in the USA, this is the reissue of the original Warner Bros Records LP. This is a limited edition release that will make it a must-have for Golden Age film score collectors. Frankel was one of the leading musical figures of post-War Britain, as a composer for the concert hall and for films. Before that, he was a leading jazz violinist and arranger, as well as musical director for numerous shows. His eight symphonies - composed between 1958 and 1972 - earned him a reputation as one of the leading symphonists of his generation and built on the respect already generated by numerous chamber works and the Violin Concerto of 1951. His film and TV credits ultimately numbered over 100, of which most were feature films, many of them regarded as classics (including The Seventh Veil and Battle of the Bulge). Frankel was also active as a teacher of composition, spending the years 1946-56 as the leading professor at the Guildhall School of Music. http://store.fortytwotradingco.com/battleofbulge.html Anybody familiar with Frankel's classical or tv works? This looks interesting especially since I love the music of Walton and Britten.    Posted:   Oct 16, 2012 - 3:10 PM     By:   serifiot   (Member) Stereo or mono?    Posted:   Oct 16, 2012 - 4:10 PM     By:   JohnnyG   (Member) Are you familiar with these rerecordings? Curse of the Werewolf is an exceptional score, one of the best of its kind, and of special importance as it was the first British film score that employed the twelve-note technique. The CD also contains his dark and tense score from the 1955 drama The Prisoner, the highly romantic Love Theme from A. Asquith's The Net and a 6-minute suite from So Long at the Fair, light, melodic and quite irresistible. The German label CPO has released many of his classical works in excellent performances - Albert's readings of Frankel's Symphonies with the Queensland SO and (this one especially, I'd say) the disc with his Violin Concerto in Memory of the Six Million, the Viola Concerto and the Serenata Concertante are well worth checking out. He's an unfairly neglected composer.    Posted:   Oct 16, 2012 - 4:34 PM     By:   Illustrator   (Member) Assuming FSM are not working on the complete score as their final release this is really good news. The QSO rerecording is excellent but a release of the original would be welcome.    Posted:   Oct 16, 2012 - 5:33 PM     By:   TerraEpon   (Member) The German label CPO has released many of his classical works in excellent performances - Not to mention a modern recording of.....Battle of the Bulge.    Posted:   Oct 16, 2012 - 5:41 PM     By:   Last Child   (Member) There's an OOP Japanese cd release - I'm not sure if it was from the LP or master tapes, although the tracklist was the same. I wish Perseverance explained how this cd compares with it. BULGE is not quite like anything else Frankel composed; a pretty phenomenal war score. Hopefully it's new availability will help garner the attention it deserves, especially since the re-recording was poo-pooed by some folks.    Posted:   Oct 16, 2012 - 7:14 PM     By:   Programguru123   (Member) There's an OOP Japanese cd release - I'm not sure if it was from the LP or master tapes, although the tracklist was the same. I wish Perseverance explained how this cd compares with it. BULGE is not quite like anything else Frankel composed; a pretty phenomenal war score. Hopefully it's new availability will help garner the attention it deserves, especially since the re-recording was poo-pooed by some folks. I'll make some assumptions here...it looks as if this was a 1960s WB Records LP release. There was a Japanese CD release from Warner Japan in the 90s so I have to assume that since every Perseverance Reissue title is a straight from the label LP reissue, the masters came from Warner Music and they probably remastered it like everything else Perseverance has issued from them. If I were to further make assumptions, I have to assume they were handed that master to work from. For me, that is enough to take a chance on this. If Perseverance is reading this thread, please confirm this.    Posted:   Oct 16, 2012 - 7:19 PM     By:   Robin Esterhammer   (Member) There's an OOP Japanese cd release - I'm not sure if it was from the LP or master tapes, although the tracklist was the same. I wish Perseverance explained how this cd compares with it. BULGE is not quite like anything else Frankel composed; a pretty phenomenal war score. Hopefully it's new availability will help garner the attention it deserves, especially since the re-recording was poo-pooed by some folks. I'll make some assumptions here...it looks as if this was a 1960s WB Records LP release. There was a Japanese CD release from Warner Japan in the 90s so I have to assume that since every Perseverance Reissue title is a straight from the label LP reissue, the masters came from Warner Music and they probably remastered it like everything else Perseverance has issued from them. If I were to further make assumptions, I have to assume they were handed that master to work from. For me, that is enough to take a chance on this. If Perseverance is reading this thread, please confirm this. This IS a stereo CD, although a very narrow one. The stereo spread is not very wide. We stayed away from adding a fake stereo sound to it to remain true to the original recording the composer intended for the album. I hope this helps. Robin Esterhammer    Posted:   Oct 16, 2012 - 8:13 PM     By:   Advise & Consent   (Member) Congrats on another great release Robin! Keep em' coming.    Posted:   Oct 16, 2012 - 9:01 PM     By:   Last Child   (Member) There's an OOP Japanese cd release - I'm not sure if it was from the LP or master tapes, although the tracklist was the same. I wish Perseverance explained how this cd compares with it. This IS a stereo CD, although a very narrow one. The stereo spread is not very wide. We stayed away from adding a fake stereo sound to it to remain true to the original recording the composer intended for the album. I hope this helps. Robin Esterhammer Can you address my questions about the Japan cd - it's source, and how it differs from the new cd?    Posted:   Oct 17, 2012 - 2:23 PM     By:   Programguru123   (Member) There's an OOP Japanese cd release - I'm not sure if it was from the LP or master tapes, although the tracklist was the same. I wish Perseverance explained how this cd compares with it. This IS a stereo CD, although a very narrow one. The stereo spread is not very wide. We stayed away from adding a fake stereo sound to it to remain true to the original recording the composer intended for the album. I hope this helps. Robin Esterhammer Can you address my questions about the Japan cd - it's source, and how it differs from the new cd? It looks to be the same CD. I have to assume since that release was back in the 90s and this is a recent master, this has to sound better since a lot of 90s CDs sound like crap.    Posted:   Oct 17, 2012 - 3:11 PM     By:   Last Child   (Member) thanks, but I'd rather hear from Robin than assume anything    Posted:   Oct 17, 2012 - 3:43 PM     By:   paul rossen   (Member) There's an OOP Japanese cd release - I'm not sure if it was from the LP or master tapes, although the tracklist was the same. I wish Perseverance explained how this cd compares with it. BULGE is not quite like anything else Frankel composed; a pretty phenomenal war score. Hopefully it's new availability will help garner the attention it deserves, especially since the re-recording was poo-pooed by some folks. I'll make some assumptions here...it looks as if this was a 1960s WB Records LP release. There was a Japanese CD release from Warner Japan in the 90s so I have to assume that since every Perseverance Reissue title is a straight from the label LP reissue, the masters came from Warner Music and they probably remastered it like everything else Perseverance has issued from them. If I were to further make assumptions, I have to assume they were handed that master to work from. For me, that is enough to take a chance on this. If Perseverance is reading this thread, please confirm this. This IS a stereo CD, although a very narrow one. The stereo spread is not very wide. We stayed away from adding a fake stereo sound to it to remain true to the original recording the composer intended for the album. I hope this helps. Robin Esterhammer I have the original LP but no longer have the ability to play LPs. The Battle of the Bulge was filmed in Ultra Panavision and shown in Cinerama during its first run. I recall that the LP sound was OK but nothing like hearing it in the 70mm release. Good luck with the album as it's a good score.    Posted:   Oct 17, 2012 - 6:59 PM     By:   Programguru123   (Member) thanks, but I'd rather hear from Robin than assume anything That's fine but I suggest you email him. I've done that with Perseverance in the past and he's always answered my concerns.    Posted:   Oct 22, 2012 - 9:07 AM     By:   roadshowfan   (Member) thanks, but I'd rather hear from Robin than assume anything That's fine but I suggest you email him. I've done that with Perseverance in the past and he's always answered my concerns. I'd be very interested to know if and how the new CD differs from the Japanese CD too. Perhaps a very kind listener could post their thoughts at some point?    Posted:   Oct 22, 2012 - 10:37 AM     By:   Last Child   (Member) thanks, but I'd rather hear from Robin than assume anything That's fine but I suggest you email him. I've done that with Perseverance in the past and he's always answered my concerns. Robin included my question in his post above but never addressed it. It seems like the kind of info that should be included in the announcement (as Intrada typically does).    Posted:   Oct 23, 2012 - 6:02 AM     By:   Tall Guy   (Member) If I can disturb this thread with a few words about the music, it's a great example of a serious musician taking other composers' work and imaginatively including it in their own. Both Beethoven and Shostakovich are referenced - and of course the Panzerlied (which I understand to have been included reluctantly by the composer) figures in various guises. It's not my favourite war score of all time, but a full release would be fantastic, avoiding if possible the slightly "thin" sound as it appears in the film. TG    Posted:   Sep 7, 2013 - 9:36 PM     By:   80cionado   (Member) thanks, but I'd rather hear from Robin than assume anything Did you ever email him and got an answer to your question?    Posted:   Sep 8, 2013 - 8:43 AM     By:   Last Child   (Member) thanks, but I'd rather hear from Robin than assume anything Did you ever email him and got an answer to your question? I checked my outgoing email - I dont think I emailed him. I'm probably misremembering but I thought I read that Warner did any remastering, and the labels just released them.     General Discussion: NEW PERSEVERANCE: Battle Of The Bulge    < 1  >   Go to page:  1   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1

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