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 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The main theme (Dunbar's theme, I guess).

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 11:32 PM   
 By:   Steve H   (Member)

Ever since lalaland released thier complete edition I cant get enough of Sioux Steal Cisco. Its only short but wow, what power and emotion!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2018 - 11:46 PM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

Farewell and End Titles is my favourite track as it covers so many themes and emotions but being the brilliant score it is I can easily name a dozen cues that are just behind it, including Kicking Birds Gift and Ride to Fort Hays which are gorgeous, or the stunning g love theme. The list could go on!

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2018 - 12:06 AM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

Definitely "Journey to Fort Sedgewick" for me. "The Buffalo Hunt" (FILM version) is a close second but there are so many great cues.
The film version of "Buffalo Hunt" seems to be the popular choice here, which is interesting because it's not the composer's preferred cue and he left it off the initial album. Yet another example of composers and fans not seeing eye-to-eye on what constitutes their best music. This is one of the rare occasions when I agree with the producer's (Costner's) choice over the composer's. That scene needed the classic rhythmic "western" sound that Costner wanted. I think Barry's original cue would have made the scene glacially slow.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2018 - 10:48 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

This is Damn Good..Beautiful Awesome and uplifting..

Pure John Barry

The Village

https://youtu.be/evMB0TM2b64

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2018 - 11:41 PM   
 By:   Zoragoth   (Member)

Journey to Fort Sedgwick is of course a standout, but the Two Socks theme gets me every time.

That said, man, was this a dopey, incredibly overrated movie!

 
 Posted:   Sep 18, 2018 - 12:46 AM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Last night while watching the breakthrough scene when Kicking Bird gives Dunbar the pelt and the one a little later in long shot after those two and Stands With A Fist stroll after their conversational breakthrough: Both hit me with full force no less than during the privileged pre-theatrical release viewing, the 2-3 viewings during the theatrical release and the subsequent VHS and DVD viewings. The marriage between film and music cannot get any more powerful. And beautiful.

There are many moments in this score/film (hard to think of the score and visuals separately) that evoke strong emotions for me. Probably the final scenes ("Farewell and End Title"), of Dunbar and SWAF departing from the tribe for the final time, most poignantly capture the inevitable, tragic fate of the Plains Horse Culture. Totally agree with Howard's view of the music/film connection. John Barry's finest work, imo (and Kevin Costner's, for that matter).

 
 Posted:   Sep 18, 2018 - 10:12 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I didn't really think about it at the time, but looking back, Dances With Wolves is a fairly unique score in John Barry's oeuvre.

Thought he'd provided music for many different types of films, this was perhaps the only true "epic" he ever scored. Some of his other assignments had "epic elements" (Born Free, some of the Bond scores, The Last Valley, Monte Walsh, etc.) but none of them offered the same scope and "large canvas" as Dances With Wolves. Its sprawling landscapes, limited dialog (and long running time) were crying out for the kind of "broad strokes" with which Barry loved to express himself.

This, combined with the fact it was his first job after several years in the hospital (during which he twice nearly died) contributed to Dances With Wolves being one of his most inspired efforts.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 18, 2018 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Oh, so many great cues. "Two Socks" brings tears. "Journey to Fort Sedgewick" is exuberant. "Looks Like a Suicide" is chilling with those jagged strings, dark horns, and eerie wordless chorus. And I'm leaving out the "john Dunbar" theme and the "Buffalo Hunt."

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 18, 2018 - 2:20 PM   
 By:   Alex Klein   (Member)

Journey to Fort Sedgwick is of course a standout, but the Two Socks theme gets me every time.

That said, man, was this a dopey, incredibly overrated movie!


I couldn't disagree more. 'Dances with Wolves' is easily one of the best films ever made, not to mention its enormously valuable social impact in the way it tried (sometimes successfully, sometimes not) to depict Native Americans fairly and without prejudice.

Alex

P.S.: My favorite cue is definitely the film version of 'The Buffalo Hunt', but mainly due to its initial buildup and not because of its later western feel (which I actually thought was a bit out of place in the film).

 
 Posted:   Sep 18, 2018 - 3:04 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

Journey to Fort Sedgwick is of course a standout, but the Two Socks theme gets me every time.

That said, man, was this a dopey, incredibly overrated movie!


Many would and do disagree (myself included). But to each his own.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2018 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

There are many moments in this score/film (hard to think of the score and visuals separately) that evoke strong emotions for me. Probably the final scenes ("Farewell and End Title"), of Dunbar and SWAF departing from the tribe for the final time, most poignantly capture the inevitable, tragic fate of the Plains Horse Culture.

...Its sprawling landscapes, limited dialog (and long running time) were crying out for the kind of "broad strokes" with which Barry loved to express himself.


The other day I could not get the final scenes incl. closing credits/music out of my head. This has led me to contemplate Barry's "broad strokes" and the overriding attitude and mood inherent to the picture's scoring.

To that end, I am seeing a connection between Dunbar's opening "suicide" run and the officer who blew his brains out ("The king is dead. Long live the king."). We don't know what Dunbar was like pre-traumatic injury but what happened humbled him. The officer in his delirium was humbled by Dunbar's presence and words.

The Lakota proved to be a humble people and Dunbar was moved.

Point is that Barry's is music of humility. He captured that quality definitively. Permeates the entire score. My glass is raised.

"To Your Journey!" "To my journey!!"

Cheers, JB.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 20, 2018 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   alamobob2007   (Member)

'The Buffalo Hunt'.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 21, 2018 - 5:06 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Oh, my. This is from 2002:

"I think the humility and reverence within Two Socks and The Love Theme also merit consideration in a complementary fashion."
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=9017&forumID=1&archive=1

Guess my feelings about the picture and score have only become more pronounced, in time...

 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2018 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   MusicMad   (Member)

Oh, my. This is from 2002:

"I think the humility and reverence within Two Socks and The Love Theme also merit consideration in a complementary fashion."
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=9017&forumID=1&archive=1

Guess my feelings about the picture and score have only become more pronounced, in time...


I've not analysed the score - or my love of this opus - to that extent but I'm sure you're right. I commented in this thread nearly six years ago and my views then are unchanged ... except:

to all those who list The Buffalo Hunt (film version) as their favourite cue I make the point that this cue does not flow with or from the score, other than being a pop arrangement. When I listen to the score with this track in place of the OST version it jars ... it is so out of place. I watched the film again earlier this year (after a break of many years) and found it had the same effect.

A great piece of music, no doubt, and, perhaps, this livelier arrangement was required for the scene to bring in any viewers who may have been flagging by then but its traditional western roots don't work as part of this score. Once you're used to hearing this version as part of the score ... replace it with the original version next time and you'll find the score flows even better ... IMHO!

Mitch

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2018 - 10:59 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Musicmad, I completely agree with you. That jaunty cowboy motif seems out of place with the film, the score, and with John Barry. Dramatically, its only purpose is to announce that you are watching a western. The other version of the Buffalo Hunt doesn't completely work for me, either. Rhythmically, it seems to have a bit of a militaristic march flavor to it rather than a freewheeling hunt in a stampede. My only criticism of the score, which I think otherwise is a masterpiece.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 22, 2018 - 2:48 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Hey MusicMad, report back in another 10 years and then that'll match up to my current Opinion Longevity Meter. smile

All this talk of the hunt cue (film vs. OST) now has me searching the memory banks. Pretty sure I had no problem with it during the theatrical viewings but once the OST came out there now was something to compare it to. I loved the OST track to the point it blotted out memory of the film underscoring, but then each subsequent viewing brought it back.

For me I have to say it's a pick 'em sitch i.e. whichever is in my ears at the moment. Win-Win as far as I'm concerned, though I tend to lean on the side of the composer in these matters.

 
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