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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1      General Discussion: Enemy at the Gates - James Horner   Last Post   Posted:   Nov 8, 2012 - 9:07 AM     By:   KevinSmith   (Member) The score does its job in the movie, even with St Horner's evil motif. It doesn't bother me that the main theme is similar to Gustav Mahler, John Williams or even previous Horner scores (it's one of the more beautiful Horner melodies out there). One of the more interesting features of the score are the mass choral bits to add some drama/emotion in this Russian story. It's also an interesting precursor to Troy if you look in the right places. Unfortunately, the album is just too long, you could cut it in half and not miss anything (the best cues are The River into Stalingrad, Betrayal, and Tania/End Credits).    Posted:   Nov 8, 2012 - 9:25 AM     By:   Deadwalker   (Member) The score does its job in the movie, even with St Horner's evil motif. It doesn't bother me that the main theme is similar to Gustav Mahler, John Williams or even previous Horner scores (it's one of the more beautiful Horner melodies out there). One of the more interesting features of the score are the mass choral bits to add some drama/emotion in this Russian story. It's also an interesting precursor to Troy if you look in the right places. Unfortunately, the album is just too long, you could cut it in half and not miss anything (the best cues are The River into Stalingrad, Betrayal, and Tania/End Credits). It's the same q over and over and over but still enjoyable to listen to    Posted:   Nov 8, 2012 - 10:28 AM     By:   Solium   (Member) The score does its job in the movie, even with St Horner's evil motif. It doesn't bother me that the main theme is similar to Gustav Mahler, John Williams or even previous Horner scores (it's one of the more beautiful Horner melodies out there). One of the more interesting features of the score are the mass choral bits to add some drama/emotion in this Russian story. It's also an interesting precursor to Troy if you look in the right places. Unfortunately, the album is just too long, you could cut it in half and not miss anything (the best cues are The River into Stalingrad, Betrayal, and Tania/End Credits). It's the same q over and over and over but still enjoyable to listen to Just like "The Perfect Storm". But I enjoy both quite a bit.    Posted:   Nov 8, 2012 - 10:36 AM     By:   Deadwalker   (Member) The score does its job in the movie, even with St Horner's evil motif. It doesn't bother me that the main theme is similar to Gustav Mahler, John Williams or even previous Horner scores (it's one of the more beautiful Horner melodies out there). One of the more interesting features of the score are the mass choral bits to add some drama/emotion in this Russian story. It's also an interesting precursor to Troy if you look in the right places. Unfortunately, the album is just too long, you could cut it in half and not miss anything (the best cues are The River into Stalingrad, Betrayal, and Tania/End Credits). It's the same q over and over and over but still enjoyable to listen to Just like "The Perfect Storm". But I enjoy both quite a bit. Love the Perfect Storm.    Posted:   Sep 28, 2013 - 11:16 AM     By:   KevinSmith   (Member) The score does its job in the movie, even with St Horner's evil motif. It doesn't bother me that the main theme is similar to Gustav Mahler, John Williams or even previous Horner scores (it's one of the more beautiful Horner melodies out there). One of the more interesting features of the score are the mass choral bits to add some drama/emotion in this Russian story. It's also an interesting precursor to Troy if you look in the right places. Unfortunately, the album is just too long, you could cut it in half and not miss anything (the best cues are The River into Stalingrad, Betrayal, and Tania/End Credits). It's the same q over and over and over but still enjoyable to listen to The theme is repeated a lot in the score you're right.    Posted:   Sep 28, 2013 - 11:47 AM     By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member) I have a lot of Horner CDs from throughout his career, going back before "Star Trek II" and "Brainstorm," and after reading some very positive comments above about "Enemy At The Gates," decided to sample some of the cues. But it struck me as mainly the typical angst I had heard too many times already. And when I bought the DVD (because of my admiration for both Joseph Fiennes and Jude Law), the music hadn't captured my attention then either. So I think I'll pass on that one.    Posted:   Feb 26, 2014 - 5:51 AM     By:   Thomas   (Member) I watched this film for the first time a few nights ago, would you believe. I didn’t like it, a turgid affair. Dodgy acting and even dodgier sets I thought. Completely uninvolving for me. I like the score though, I’ve been listening to it again for the first time in ages the last few days. I’m by no means a big Horner fan (I own about half dozen of his scores), but I enjoy this one. I can’t comment on some of the accusations levelled at him from some here as I’m not familiar enough, but I think this one has some nice themes and dramatic cues. I would agree though, the CD plays far too long, it just seems there’s too much music on it! But It’s a score I think I will return to again in the future.    Posted:   Feb 26, 2014 - 6:01 AM     By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member) I actually quite like the film (although I agree it's got some dodgy accents and cornball moments). I especially like the opening 30 minutes or so, featuring the train journey, river crossing, Stalingrad battle and the first sniper sequence in the fountain. Also agree that the CD outstays it's welcome, but the opening and closing cues are fantastic and there are some good moments in between.    Posted:   Feb 26, 2014 - 6:15 AM     By:   Tall Guy   (Member) I actually quite like the film (although I agree it's got some dodgy accents and cornball moments). I especially like the opeing 30 minutes or so, featuring the train journey, river crossing, Stalingrad battle and the first sniper sequence in the fountain. Also agree that the CD outstays it's welcome, but the opening and closing cues are fantastic and there are some good moments in between. I've only seen it the once but quite enjoyed it. It's the proverbial game of two halves. I found the first bit to be startlingly atmospheric and redolent of what I'd expect the build up to the Battle of Stalingrad to really have been like. Some nice touches involving the politics and propaganda of the situation. Then it morphed into a typical boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy shoots Germans story that I found slightly jarring. Would like to see it again at some stage to see if the above is strictly fair. I enjoy the score when I think to listen to it, which is every couple of years or so. I feared that it would include swathes of Shostakovich's 7th ("Leningrad, Stalingrad, what's the difference?") but was pleased when it didn't. I'm aware that I'm damning with faint praise. TG    Posted:   Feb 26, 2014 - 6:58 AM     By:   MusicMad   (Member) This is a score I've owned for a number of years but it's been a number of months since I last played it. I think that's a combination of other (new) music in my collection and the last airing or two were less than satisfactory. And yet it was a score I liked a lot when first purchased. Probably time for a listen. As for the film: I enjoyed it on first viewing (though have no affinity for any of the lead actors, apart from the dependable Ed Harris) and find, to this day, that the opening images of the soldiers being ordered to charge without weapons or be shot, very disturbing On a second (incomplete, I think) viewing I was less involved. I know Mr. Horner gets a a battering quite often but I like most of his works - I have 40+ of his scores. Mitch    Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 9:03 AM     By:   KevinSmith   (Member) I actually quite like the film (although I agree it's got some dodgy accents and cornball moments). I especially like the opeing 30 minutes or so, featuring the train journey, river crossing, Stalingrad battle and the first sniper sequence in the fountain. Also agree that the CD outstays it's welcome, but the opening and closing cues are fantastic and there are some good moments in between. I've only seen it the once but quite enjoyed it. It's the proverbial game of two halves. I found the first bit to be startlingly atmospheric and redolent of what I'd expect the build up to the Battle of Stalingrad to really have been like. Some nice touches involving the politics and propaganda of the situation. Then it morphed into a typical boy meets girl, boy loses girl, boy shoots Germans story that I found slightly jarring. Would like to see it again at some stage to see if the above is strictly fair. I enjoy the score when I think to listen to it, which is every couple of years or so. I feared that it would include swathes of Shostakovich's 7th ("Leningrad, Stalingrad, what's the difference?") but was pleased when it didn't. I'm aware that I'm damning with faint praise. TG Aren't all communists the same?    Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 12:11 PM     By:   johnjohnson   (Member) I enjoy the score when I think to listen to it, which is every couple of years or so. I feared that it would include swathes of Shostakovich's 7th ("Leningrad, Stalingrad, what's the difference?") but was pleased when it didn't. I'm aware that I'm damning with faint praise. TG I remember getting this score from HMV Leeds. Always enjoyed going through their soundtrack section.    Posted:   Aug 9, 2014 - 9:11 PM     By:   Smaug   (Member) I like this score and the movie. I remember the review or headline on FilmTracks way back when it came out was "Enemy at Schindler's Gate." Still makes me laugh. I wish someone would play that first 15 minute cue in concert on a Russian program.    Posted:   Oct 11, 2014 - 3:13 AM     By:   JAMES HORNER FILM MUSIC   (Member) BETWEEN INTELLIGENCE AND SENSITIVITY: TWO DISSECTED UNTRUTHS According to the dictionary of the French language Le Littré, untruths are "words expressing a sense being contrary to that we want to be heard." These words are sentences we have identified on the Internet which claim that James Horner is inspired lazily or without valid reasons by recent compositions: A – The theme of Troy (2004) is copied from David Arnold's Stargate (1994). B – The theme of Enemy At The Gates (2001) is copied from John Williams' Schindler's List (1993). In the Dictionary of Pedagogy by Ferdinand Buisson (1887), Ludovic Carrau explained that there are cases where the judgment is so obvious that "it is made itself;, the reflection may not be absent, but it is limited to exactly design the terms and put them in front of each other; their suitability or unsuitability immediately appear." Here we would like to suggest that the associations Troy/-Stargate and Enemy At The Gates/-Schindler's List are based on a judgment that was made too quickly. The combination was so obvious to some people that a prolonged reflection was not necessary. It could have been though. Here' is why. Read more: http://jameshorner-filmmusic.com/between-intelligence-and-sensitivity-two-dissected-untruths/     General Discussion: Enemy at the Gates - James Horner    < 1  >   Go to page:  1   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1

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