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 Posted:   Nov 8, 2012 - 10:13 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

EDIT: "GNP Crescendo Records is proud to announce another volume in its continuing series of expanded Star Trek releases." -- this statement made last year has just been borne out in another expanded remastered Trek release, Encounter at Farpoint (with a complete bonus episode score, Arsenal of Freedom, added)! Can't wait to see the other Trek pilots they own the rights to given similar treatment, and also interested to see if they start to delve into some of their other back catalogue score titles they might own in perpetuity...

What follows is the bulk of my original post, now somewhat outdated of course:
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I was just wondering if GNP is going to go dormant again, or if perhaps they might be spurred to exploit a little more of their back catalogue...might the label have the energy to tackle a few more things beyond their Trek feature scores?

For starters of course it'd be nice if Lukas K. could oversee complete (and perhaps even more importantly, remastered!) releases for McCarthy's Encounter at Farpoint and especially Ron Jones' fantastic Best of Both Worlds, which really really deserves to be given the same treatment as all his other fantastic work for TNG...the disparity in sound quality between the old GNP CD and the FSM Jones box set is really noticeable. Not sure if similar treatment for any other Trek music they hold in perpetuity (I'm guessing that doesn't apply so much to compilations like the Best of Star Trek or probably the Chattaway TNG disc, but there's also the other McCarthy disc as well as the pilot score CDs for Voyager and DS9) would be warranted.

But there are also other scores beyond Trek TV stuff that I'd like to see complete/remastered, for example Lee Holdridge's lovely Old Gringo or Chris Young's Bless the Child. I've also heard good things about Sakamoto's The Handmaid's Tale and Convertino's Children of a Lesser God.

GNP may end up watching this thread to gauge the viability sales-wise of any future releases so please feel free to chime in with your own wants and ideas on this subject...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 8, 2012 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

LLL listed TNG set as Volume one. The previous GNP stuff would make a great Volume 2.

Although, after MV's post we won't see more than DS9 from LLL before November, 2013. Hopefully we will see Insurrection soon cause if MV's post about the Trek freeze still holds, they will need to get it out in under two months.

Fingers crossed!

In short, I'm sure if there are still dollars to be made after 2012, there could be a new home for the GNP back catalogue.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2012 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

LLL listed TNG set as Volume one. The previous GNP stuff would make a great Volume 2.

Although, after MV's post we won't see more than DS9 from LLL before November, 2013. Hopefully we will see Insurrection soon cause if MV's post about the Trek freeze still holds, they will need to get it out in under two months.

Fingers crossed!

In short, I'm sure if there are still dollars to be made after 2012, there could be a new home for the GNP back catalogue.



You read MV's post wrong. What he said was DS9 would come out in January '13, then after that there probably wouldn't be any more Trek releases until November '13.

 
 Posted:   Nov 9, 2012 - 3:52 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

LLL listed TNG set as Volume one. The previous GNP stuff would make a great Volume 2.

Why wouldn't LLL just make a Vol. 2 of their own (unreleased) stuff that GNP doesn't have the rights to? It wouldn't make much sense for them to pay to license Farpoint or BoBW if they could find some other good scores from the series to release. The only reason they had to work with GNP to (expensively) license their TOS scores is because they wanted to make a *complete* set of all the music from the series.

Aside from the original Star Trek series, I think if we're going to get improved versions of stuff from GNP it's going to be done on their label.

In short, I'm sure if there are still dollars to be made after 2012, there could be a new home for the GNP back catalogue.

Outside of Star Trek I'm not sure other labels would go to the trouble of licensing out other scores from GNP...hence why I started this thread to find out if they'd do any more remastered expansions themselves, or if they'd be going dormant again.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 5, 2012 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Prompted to bump (and rename) this thread by Lukas's wonderful interview over at TrekCore about the complete TOS set:
http://www.trekcore.com/merchandise/sttos_lukaskendall.html

Relevant excerpt:
"TrekCore: You did the fantastic Ron Jones box set through Film Score Monthly and I recall you were limited to using just five minutes of cues from “The Best of Both Worlds.” What changed between that circumstance with GNP/Crescendo and this time around with Star Trek: The Original Series?

Lukas Kendall: This is a little bit of a delicate topic. What changed was I approached GNP/Crescendo wearing a different hat. I approached them in a very informal activity that I’ve had helping Paramount Pictures with some of their soundtrack albums and asking if GNP/Crescendo would like to do the collectors’ editions that we’ve subsequently released of First Contact and Generations. It was through doing that that I got to work with Neil Norman and his wife Melanie Clarkson Norman, and I like them very much and I hope I did a good job for them. I was in a better position to then ask for certain rights that they’d been understandably reluctant to negotiate away. It was just a matter of furthering the relationships and treating everyone fairly and coming up with a way to make the deals work."

So it seems that Lukas approached GNP to help them put together their complete releases for First Contact, Generations, and (soon hopefully) Insurrection, and based on THAT collaboration which has produced successful releases on their own label, GNP was willing to negotiate on letting go of other perpetuity Trek rights (as well as giving up the masters for the complete scores, apparently).

If the Ron Jones set came out today, it would almost certainly be 15 discs just like LLL's TOS box in order to have Best of Both Worlds complete and remastered. Since Lukas is a perfectionist and LOVES Ron Jones, I'm hoping he'll talk with GNP about continuing their success with improved Trek releases and get out a complete/chronological and most importantly *remastered* Best of Both Worlds for us all to enjoy (and I for one wouldn't mind expanded Jeff Bond liner notes as well!)

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2012 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   eggerty31   (Member)

It would be very nice if Lukas and GNP could do BoBW. It was a pity it couldn't be incuded in the Ron Jones set, but following on from the success of First Contact, Generations, and the forthcoming Insurrection, it would be another good release for GNP.

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2012 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   Mr Drive   (Member)

Aren't you guys like... broke?

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2012 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

Aren't you guys like... broke?

A very perceptive comment. I've actually gone to wishing for certain scores NOT to come out for a while. Complete Rocketeer, Intrada Star Wars trilogy, Complete Secret of NIHM. Please not before Summer at the earliest! smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2012 - 10:43 AM   
 By:   Scott M (Oldsmith)   (Member)

Aren't you guys like... broke?

Oh yeah, and I for one am happy for the upcoming Trek embargo. Gives me quite the breather.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2012 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   captain_avis   (Member)

Is there even that much more worth releasing from BoBW? I asked Lukas that question about when the box set came out and he seemed to indicate that there was minimal extra material worth having that wasn't on the original release or the Jones box.

Chris.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2012 - 11:03 AM   
 By:   Ford A. Thaxton   (Member)

Is there even that much more worth releasing from BoBW? I asked Lukas that question about when the box set came out and he seemed to indicate that there was minimal extra material worth having that wasn't on the original release or the Jones box.

Chris.



It's not so much that what can be added in this case, but rather going back and giving this one a serious "Spit and Polish", GNP used as I recall Ron's composer DATS to assemble that master and there were a few issues such as the mixes not being EXACTLY right and some digital errors in one or two cues.

If they could get the multi-tracks and do a remix, that would be really cool.


Ford A. Thaxton

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2012 - 5:49 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

I would line right up for BoBW remastered and expanded. Yes, indeed.

I always felt that Encounter at Farpoint has immensely good sound, especially for the first pass. A solid album too! But of course needless to say a lot of music left off.

After GNPC releases Insurrection it would be nice for them to focus on more of their back catalogue.

-Rick O.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 6, 2012 - 10:40 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

I've been thinking about this for a little while now. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one. Listening to the album for Best of Both Worlds is very different now that we've got the Ron Jones Project. As nice as it would have been to see those included in the set, a remastered stand-alone album would be very welcome. I'd buy it, day one.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2012 - 5:34 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

[It's not so much that what can be added in this case, but rather going back and giving this one a serious "Spit and Polish", GNP used as I recall Ron's composer DATS to assemble that master and there were a few issues such as the mixes not being EXACTLY right and some digital errors in one or two cues.

If they could get the multi-tracks and do a remix, that would be really cool.


I would buy a new complete and remastered edition in a heartbeat. I think the old CD came out in 1991. It's about time! smile

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2012 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Mathew   (Member)

Same here. Best of Both Worlds is my favorite NextGen score. Would buy an expanded/remastered edition in a heartbeat.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2012 - 8:13 AM   
 By:   Jeyl   (Member)

I hope that the release does happen. Ron Jones MUST BE COMPLETED.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2012 - 8:02 PM   
 By:   scrapsly   (Member)

I have to concur, OLD GRINGO is fantastic music and an expanded remastered edition would be wonderful !

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2012 - 8:34 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I hope that the release does happen. Ron Jones MUST BE COMPLETED.

It is, as I recall.

I remember Lukas saying that the five minutes of "The Best of Both Worlds" on the Jones Box, is all the cues the the two-parter that were not on the GNP CD.

 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2012 - 8:53 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I remember Lukas saying that the five minutes of "The Best of Both Worlds" on the Jones Box, is all the cues the the two-parter that were not on the GNP CD.

Not quite, I don't believe. The FSM online liner notes say "This pre-existing album contractually limited FSM to releasing no more than five minutes of music recorded for the “The Best of Both Worlds,” whether previously released or not." They released exactly five additional minutes. There's apparently a bit more. That said, the GNP disc features everything I need to hear.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 7, 2012 - 10:56 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

I seem to remember Lukas saying something to the effect that luckily there was exactly 4:59 left, or something.

I could be wrong...

 
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