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 Posted:   May 13, 2014 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   Glenn Butler   (Member)

Any fans of say, Exodus, or Goldsmith's "Jewish" scores should adore this.

Now there's a powerful recommendation. I'd forgotten that there's also a piece from this score on disc two of the Exocus re-recording.

 
 
 Posted:   May 27, 2014 - 5:41 PM   
 By:   jeff1   (Member)

All of Gerald Fried's collaborations with Robert Aldrich (who briefly fell out with De Vol in the late 60s) deserve releases. Aside from the excellent "Too Late the Hero" which had a limited archival release ages ago, "The Killing of Sister George" and "What Ever Happened to Aunt Alice?" stand out and would make great album listens.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2015 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

*jump*

Kaplan's Kangaroo leaps from Counterpoint (not Kritzerland nor Intrada).

 
 Posted:   Jan 26, 2015 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Thanks! I'd been meaning to update with that news but hadn't gotten around to it yet. I hope the Kaplan releases keep coming as well as some more Duning and especially Fried!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 11, 2015 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Hey, Yavar, our TOS composers are not doing too well with their non-Star Trek soundtracks.

Sol Kaplan's JUDITH was deleted due to lack of interest, and the same will happen to George Duning's THEN CAME BRONSON.
This does not bode well for THE SPY WHO CAME IN FROM THE COLD (how much longer might this Kaplan title hold its own within the Intrada catalogue?).

I hope Sol Kaplan's KANGAROO will not become extinct and dash the prospects on all future Kaplan (plus Duning, Fried, etc.) projects in the pipeline.

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2015 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Why assume Judith did badly? I'm sure the sound samples, nice cover art, and fact that a track was included on James Fitzpatrick's wonderful Exodus re-recording on Tadlow probably helped initial sales for this one. Sales almost always drastically trickle off, but it's entirely possible that Intrada printed 1500 or even 2000 copies of it, and it was just coming to the end of its run. There is all likelihood that Judith sold *better* than The Spy Who Came In From the Cold, which most likely had the same initial batch size.

It bothers me how often everyone assumes that just because Intrada is putting a title on 2 week deletion notice, it *must* have done really poorly. It often just means it's getting lower in inventory and isn't selling fast enough to warrant a further pressing. (Under their "new" system, Intrada simply reserves the right to print more beyond their initial set licensed number -- which they don't disclose -- if they *need* to...the recent Rio Bravo, which was an unexpectedly fast seller, is probably a recent case when they extended the print run.)

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2015 - 3:45 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Less than a year after "Judith" was released it was discontinued.
Intrada Special Collection release available while quantities and interest remain!

If interest had been better, it would still be here. There are still Intrada CD's available that fell under their "while quantities and interest remain!" viariation of limited edition.

 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2015 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

No...I think this is a common misconception. Here's how it *could* have happened -- though I reiterate that neither I, nor you, nor probably anyone outside Intrada actually knows how well Judith did.

Say Intrada gauged the title would be a success at 1500 copies, and they printed that many in their initial batch. Then say in the first few months they sold 1200 of those copies, and then in the remaining year since it was released they (much more slowly) sold 200 more. At that point they decided to delete the title and thereby move those last 100 copies faster. Clearly there would be little wisdom in paying to press up another 1000 or even 500 copies, but that doesn't mean the title wasn't a success! Just not a huge one, like the recent Rio Bravo, where they probably printed up 1500 copies and those were gone astonishingly fast, during the initial period when the majority of sales for most titles happen -- so they repressed it, extending the run, which they would NOT have been able to do under their old system when they would strictly hold to the initially-announced quantity. 1500 copies of Inchon disappeared in hours and they stuck to the limit (until their policy changed and years later they put out the MAF version for all the people who had missed it).

By your logic, Kaplan's The Spy Who Came In From the Cold must be selling better than Judith did, because it was released earlier and it hasn't yet been put on the chopping block. But it quite possibly means that it sold WORSE than Judith, ie. 900 copies initially and then 100 more over the next year, and Intrada doesn't want to trash those remaining 500 copies any sooner than they have to (if the license comes up) so they'll keep it in the catalogue but not repress it.

Though we have good reason to conclude that any titles put up on the 2-week deletion notice are not *currently* selling well, we have no reason to conclude that they did more poorly than the many titles that haven't yet been put up for deletion.

But if you just don't see eye to eye with my perspective on this, I guess the best I can hope for is for Roger himself to chime in and explain how things work under their new system in general terms...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2015 - 4:35 PM   
 By:   jeff1   (Member)

It probably doesn't help that JUDITH is a forgotten film that is difficult to see (outside of a pan-and-scan version on Amazon Instant Video) compared to SPY, which is a minor classic. Great score and CD release though - especially that stereo LP programme.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2015 - 5:26 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Hi, Yavar.

Whether misconception or not about Intrada's store policies, I think we can agree that there SHOULD be more interest in Sol Kaplan soundtracks. smile

[and all other TOS composers outside of their ST works]

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2015 - 6:34 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Well, just goes to show that once you go Trek you never go beck!

 
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