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I'm thinking maybe I should modify this thread title in light of Intrada's fantastic newly recorded album of BLACK PATCH (1957) and THE MAN (1972), to be "Wish List: New Goldsmith Recordings!"
What do you guys think? Should I start a new thread, or keep this one because there's a lot of history here, and just modify that title and edit my first post a bit to make the subject more general?
Nobody replied but I decided to go for it. So welcome to the new/old thread about NEW recordings of Goldsmith's music! Put your wish lists here, keep an eye for this spot for updates about new Goldsmith recordings being produced, and look back at the history of this thread since 2012 to celebrate all we've gotten so far!
And now the real occasion for bumping this thread...
Hot on the heels of working with Intrada to restore Goldsmith's scores for Black Patch (1957) and The Man (1972) for their premiere release on album, reconstructionist Leigh Phillips decided to start his own Kickstarter to record a much smaller Goldsmith premiere: the complete score (just over eight minutes long) for the General Electric Theater episode "The Bar Mitzvah of Major Orlovsky" -- a beautiful, clear precursor to the Emmy-winning scores for QBVII and Masada!
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/129592672/the-bar-mitzvah-of-major-orlovsky-jerry-goldsmith
And that did so well, hitting its modest goal within four days of launching, that Leigh added on an additional GE Theater score by Goldsmith ("Sarah's Laughter") as a stretch goal... a goal which itself was reached early this morning! This lovely Americana score probably hasn't been heard since it aired in the early 60s, since the episode itself appears to be lost... but luckily the written score itself survived to be used for a new recording. You can hear Leigh's mockup of one cue here in this fun PSA The Goldsmith Odyssey made for the project:
https://goldsmithodyssey.buzzsprout.com/159614/10523814-golden-opportunities-create-a-goldsmith-filled-future-on-kickstarter
These are exciting times we live in, Goldsmith fans! If you haven't yet participated in this Kickstarter, it's still running for another three weeks and you can lock in a lossless copy for yourself of BOTH scores for only £6 (less than $8 USD)! And for those of you who care about getting a physical CD, Leigh has said he will enable a special Stretch Goal to cover the additional costs of producing one, if at least four GE Theater scores by Goldsmith are successfully funded (and we are already halfway there.)
Yavar
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Thank You Yavar for bumping this thread and promoting Leigh Phillips' own Jerry Goldsmith new rerecording projects.
I am in of course.
This micro-funding really opens the window on new horizons and possibilities.
I agree -- particularly when it comes to shorter TV scores, which really lend themselves to the multiple smaller campaigns/stretch goal aspect.
I hope people also may later consider reconstructing and rerecording job for seventies' stuff, like PURSUIT.
May be INTRADA will consider this thing themselves, if their terrific recent BLACK PATCH/THE MAN CD release (disc of the year for me) is a winner in figure sales, beyond the subscriptors funding.
I think a twofer with PURSUIT and CRAWLSPACE, the two best remaining Goldsmith TV movie scores, would make a great disc of about the same length as BLACK PATCH/THE MAN. (It wouldn't work for Leigh's micro-approach, I don't think.) Maybe they'll consider it in the future based on the success of that album. For what it's worth, I know for a fact that the complete written music for PURSUIT survives, but as far as I know CRAWLSPACE would have to be reconstructed.
By the way, I even got this CD twice: one since I did subscribe to the kickstarter Campaign, and another one I did buy to support them. I am storing one at the 50ies batch in my Jerry Goldsmith shelves and another one at the 70ies batch, since the CD booklet features a full recto/verso cover artwork for each title in full size.
Just in case anybody around here would have a doubt about my consideration for the INTRADA team!
Neat idea. I only bought one copy but split them as separate albums for myself in iTunes.
Yavar
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It sounds like The Waltons would have to receive new recordings (and maybe they could be done with Leigh’s 1/2-at-a-time approach). I don’t know the status of Rawhide or Wagon Train, but I can tell you for sure: Gunsmoke and Have Gun — Will Travel don’t really need to be newly recorded. The original recordings under Goldsmith’s baton survive.
Yavar
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I have removed/replaced or updated the following previous entries in my wish list, in the first post of this thread...
"1. Black Patch / Face of a Fugitive -- His first two theatrical scores, both westerns, would make a great doubleheader as I'm pretty sure the original tapes haven't survived. James Fitzpatrick has confirmed that the original written scores exist in the Academy's Margaret Herrick Library so minimal reconstruction would be required, rendering this a much less expensive project than The Salamander or QBVII which had to be done by ear from the films' composite audio tracks."
Face of a Fugitive turned out to survive, in the original recording under Goldsmith's baton! Premiered by Intrada about a year ago in a wonderful album presentation:
https://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.11724/.f
Black Patch on the other hand was still lost, but Intrada was able to get a copy of the original written score from the Herrick Library as I had hoped -- which even revealed a fantastic little cue Goldsmith wrote for the Warner Bros. logo at the beginning of the film, most of which went unused in the film and is heard for the first time on their new recording, paired with The Man (1972):
https://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.12470/.f?sc=16&category=23345
"5. Shamus / Pursuit -- While I originally left these off my list (though others included them below in this thread), I recently read the following comment from Lukas Kendall a couple years ago: "I love this era of Goldsmith's 'mod' writing--'Border Crossing' from The Last Run is a prime example. Unfortunately two of the better scores in this style, Shamus and the ABC TV movie Pursuit, are kaput as far as master tapes." I'd been holding out hope that the original tapes survived and Intrada might get around to them but it seems unlikely. I think they'd make a great two-fer, rerecorded, and James Fitzpatrick has said on more than one occasion that capturing the 70s flavor or synths would not at all be a problem on a re-recording when some people expressed doubts."
Pursuit appears to still be lost (though some good news I can confirm is that the written music still survives and could be used for a potential re-recording!) But as with Face of a Fugitive, the "print takes" for Shamus turned out to survive and Intrada premiered it on a wonderful, if brief, album:
https://store.intrada.com/s.nl/it.A/id.12187/.f
I have replaced Shamus in the pairing with perhaps my favorite unreleased Goldsmith TV movie score, Crawlspace. Here's my full "Advance Liner Notes" post about that wonderful score, with a cue-by-cue breakdown of the complete thing (and YouTube links of the film to follow along):
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=116952&forumID=1&archive=0
Yavar
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I have replaced Shamus in the pairing with perhaps my favorite unreleased Goldsmith TV movie score, Crawlspace.
Yavar
Is Crawlspace considered a missing tape situation at present?
I wonder if the written score to Pursuit would have detailed technical info on the electronic effects (if that's what they are). The odd "wailing" behind the some of the digital clock stuff. Plus any use of the echoplex.
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Is Crawlspace considered a missing tape situation at present?
To be honest, I don't know for sure whether anyone has bothered to look (or knows where to look)!
The long-OOP and expensive/hard-to-find DVD edition was released by a label called Wild Eye.
The telefilm was originally broadcast by CBS, but the production company was Titus Productions. I haven't seen recording materials or written materials listed among any CBS holdings, but I haven't searched in person at the UCLA archives and I gather only 90% or so has been catalogued.
I wonder if the written score to Pursuit would have detailed technical info on the electronic effects (if that's what they are). The odd "wailing" behind the some of the digital clock stuff. Plus any use of the echoplex.
Not sure. I haven't seen the written score myself but I know someone who has access to it.
Yavar
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Hoping for a new recording of TV scores: A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, Anna and the King, The Waltons, and ?
There are certainly a lot of TV scores which could be tackled, including TV movies (Crawlspace, Pursuit, Indict & Convict, Lights Out), unsold pilots (The Best of Times, Prudence and the Chief, The Expendables, The Sergeant and the Lady), and loads and loads of anthology TV going all the way back to the mid-50s. My friend David had an excellent suggestion to Leigh Phillips to make his Goldsmith project bigger than just General Electric Theater, and make that part of a larger "Goldsmith Anthology" re-recording series, which could cover his work on other shows like Studio One, Playhouse 90, and Climax!
Personally I'm hoping that some of it survives in the original recordings (as I know Jerry's six Gunsmoke scores and two Have Gun - Will Travel scores do). Perhaps A Tree Grows in Brooklyn and Anna and the King will be included on a future volume of LLL's Jerry Goldsmith at 20th series? (Fingers crossed.)
Yavar
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Pursuit would be great.
Pursuit is such a great 'mod' style score by Goldsmith. It's perhaps my #1 Goldsmith grail.
I agree; it's excellent. Have you both seen my complete score breakdown with detailed cue-by-cue "Advance Liner Notes"?
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=117275&forumID=1&archive=0
I would combine it with Indict and Convict.
We know Pursuit is lost, but I still hold out some hope that Indict and Convict might still be found in the Universal vaults... we certainly haven't heard any confirmation that it's lost, so why not hope the original recording under Goldsmith's baton still survives? I think it's obscure enough that Intrada or LLL just haven't quite gotten around to it yet, but Universal stuff from this era seems to generally survive -- let's not forget Intrada premiered The Don Is Dead not that long ago from this very era of Goldsmith at Universal, and it sounded quite good!
But have you all not heard the wonderful score that is Crawlspace? That TV movie seems to have more complicated ownership, and I think it's far more likely that it doesn't exist. And it's also a far more substantial and lengthy work than Indict and Convict; in fact it's even a little longer than Pursuit:
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=116952&forumID=1&archive=0
Use my timestamps in the "Advance Liner Notes" to skip to the cues, and tell me that's not something you're eager to have on disc! Of course, there should be room for Pursuit on the same disc too, if any label felt open to considering a three-fer, perhaps with each Goldsmith TV movie score add-on after Pursuit as a stretch goal?
And oh... it's far from a favorite of mine, but I happen to know the original written scores also survive (in the same place as those for Pursuit) for Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate... if anyone here is pining after THAT TV movie score by Goldsmith. But to be perfectly frank that wouldn't even come near my top 25 of Goldsmith re-recordings I want.
Speaking of TV movies... a little off topic. If I had the possibility I would re-record Fielding's Noon Wine. Beautiful score using a small orchestra.
Hey I'm all for love of the other great Jerry! He might not tend to sell well enough for the labels to try pursuing re-recordings of his music on their own, but a Kickstarter campaign to allow his fans to support one might be a better prospect...
Yavar
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And oh... it's far from a favorite of mine, but I happen to know the original written scores also survive (in the same place as those for Pursuit) for Do Not Fold, Spindle, or Mutilate... if anyone here is pining after THAT TV movie score by Goldsmith.
Yavar
I am! People seem to dislike the "wacky" theme for funny old ladies (soon to be known as "The Snoop Sisters"), but most of the score is Goldsmith in his atonal jazz style, similar to Pursuit, Brotherhood of the Bell, or some of The Detective. And since most of it is drowned out in the constant voice-over dialogue, it would be an important move to get it out in the open to hear.
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I love Pursuit, and like The Detective and Brotherhood of the Bell pretty well. I even kinda like the theme itself for Do Not Fold. But that WEEEEoooooWEEEEEoooooWEEEEEEoooooo synth siren thing drives me. Up. A. Wall. And yeah the unpleasant jazz stuff… I get what he was going for, for the killer… but it just does nothing for me. Anyhow I don’t know of tapes surviving but the written music does.
Yavar
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But that WEEEEoooooWEEEEEoooooWEEEEEEoooooo synth siren thing drives me. Up. A. Wall. Yavar
That's a pretty good imitation! I guess he saw the film and that's what he heard. I'll look forward to when the Odyssey gets to discussing it, that should be an interesting talk. Perhaps the podcast's first physical altercation will break out. But by the time you get to 1971 you'll be elderly like the Snoop Sisters, maybe then you'll think it's perfect!
I like SPYS too, but that little vocal that hisses the title does make me wince a bit. They're just fun little musical ideas that dated noticably.
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Intrada has a new Kickstarter poll up and it includes not one but TWO Goldsmith options: a complete The Chairman (presumably using the written materials in the Herrick Library), or his work for The Waltons series (possibly a two CD set including all six of his original scores for the series? I think written music for them also survives…)
Vote here, or if the forum’s acting up for you they also have the poll up in their Facebook group:
http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=9052
Yavar
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