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 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   MRAUDIO   (Member)

Who else is looking to the future of 4K - not me, really, at least for quite a while.

There are some Blu Ray Players out there that have 4K support already, as well as some HT Receivers - time will tell how this will take off for the average HT person (like me)

Any comments??...:-)

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   Maleficio   (Member)

not me, really, at least for quite a while.



Same here, don't even want to think about it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 2:01 PM   
 By:   Nightingale   (Member)

I'd rather have more frames per second (of actual frames, not created by a chip) then 4k, but if we do get 4k, don't you dare not at least double the frames. We've come so far and yet movie pans are still all blurry.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2013 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

I've read that it doesn't really matter unless you are going HUGE on your display. They say under 40 inches 1080p is pointless so I would expect the same would apply for 4k, under 60 inches or so it doesn't really matter. Though they seem to have taken to calling it ULTRA HD now.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I was in Best Buy last night looking at 4K televisions and I can confirm it really doesn't look any different than 1080. The only difference is you can't make out the pixels at close range if you put your eyes right up to the screen. But who watches the television that close? No one.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Unless your an absolute boffin, 4k is still partial development there's a slight difference from a 1080i, 1080p, nothing life changing tvs are a gimmick like the latest phones we must have them, not me, if I make another tv purchase eventually I'd go for 8k when prices look realistic.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 11:38 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

Well when my plasma finally goes kaput (hopefully not for a few years) then the replacement will probably be 4K, not that I'm interested in 4K. My main interest with TV is looking at old movies (30s-80s) & the amount of these films so far released on UHD Blu-rays I'm sure I could fit into my back pocket.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 12:09 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

It’s rare that I find myself at the cutting edge of technology, but the stars have aligned and we’ve been able (and in part compelled by equipment breakdown) to buy a 55” Oled 4k LG telly, an LG 4k Blu-ray player and an Onkyo amp. I’m not convinced that we’ve got it as well calibrated to the room as it could be, but I can tell you it’s made a noticeable difference to our viewing pleasure. Whether it’s the Oled aspect or perhaps the HDR that’s led the charge I couldn’t say, but the tv replaced a 42” LCD 1080p screen, and with UHD content it’s chalk and cheese.

This is likely to be a once-in-15-years purchase, so it had damn well better be future-proof! I doubt I’ll ever get sign off on ceiling speakers to enable the Dolby Atmos, though!

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Just make sure to turnoff digital noise reduction if that is the factory setting. That goes for all hd tvs

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 12:47 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Just make sure to turnoff digital noise reduction if that is the factory setting. That goes for all hd tvs

Great point, Bruce. I somehow had it turned on when our technophile friend came to see it, and was roundly (and rightly) mocked.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

Just make sure to turnoff digital noise reduction if that is the factory setting. That goes for all hd tvs

Great point, Bruce. I somehow had it turned on when our technophile friend came to see it, and was roundly (and rightly) mocked.


I feel inspired to write a poem about your mockery

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 3:31 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

It’s rare that I find myself at the cutting edge of technology, but the stars have aligned and we’ve been able (and in part compelled by equipment breakdown) to buy a 55” Oled 4k LG telly, an LG 4k Blu-ray player and an Onkyo amp. I’m not convinced that we’ve got it as well calibrated to the room as it could be, but I can tell you it’s made a noticeable difference to our viewing pleasure. Whether it’s the Oled aspect or perhaps the HDR that’s led the charge I couldn’t say, but the tv replaced a 42” LCD 1080p screen, and with UHD content it’s chalk and cheese.

This is likely to be a once-in-15-years purchase, so it had damn well better be future-proof! I doubt I’ll ever get sign off on ceiling speakers to enable the Dolby Atmos, though!


HDR is equal in importance to 4K resolution for me, which is why I buy 4K UHD Blu Rays too. There's a noticeable difference between SDR and HDR.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 3:36 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)


I feel inspired to write a poem about your mockery


I've written it:

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
But you wouldn't know that,
Because you're too busy nagging me about my fucking TV settings. Asshole. Go smell a rose.
You're welcome.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 3:53 PM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

My sister & brother-in-law bought an expensive Sony 4k TV last year, I was there over Christmas & my god it looks awful. They're two very intelligent people, but they haven't got a clue (& are not interested) when it comes to a TV picture & I was under strict instructions not to touch it. It's as it came, everything turned up to 11, no greyscale & any dark areas are crushed to buggery, I just couldn't watch it. I used to be a telecine colourist, just give me half an hour with it, but no, "we're happy, we think it looks great" & they have Sky & more often than not watch an SD program rather find the HD (BBC SD being at the top of the list, so that always gets watched). Bloody hell, but I'm thinking they're in the majority.

 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 4:41 PM   
 By:   'Lenny Bruce' Marshall   (Member)

God help you if you mess with someone's hd tv that they think "looks great".
Lol!

Sometimes i try telling them "It looks good. I can make it look even better, ".
Brm

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 7, 2018 - 4:53 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

At my age I'm just tired of buying the same titles over and over again. There are many that I have owned in VHS, LaserDisc, DVD and BluRay. Enough already! From now on, if I ever acquire a 4K set I'll wait until streaming in that format becomes common and then rent the titles.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2018 - 5:50 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

At my age I'm just tired of buying the same titles over and over again. There are many that I have owned in VHS, LaserDisc, DVD and BluRay. Enough already! From now on, if I ever acquire a 4K set I'll wait until streaming in that format becomes common and then rent the titles.


I've resolved not to buy a 4k version of any bluray that I already own, but with the following caveats:

1. Unless it has something new and revolutionary, such as extra footage, a new and indispensable commentary or other valuable extras, or

2. Unless I really really want to.

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2018 - 6:41 AM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

At my age I'm just tired of buying the same titles over and over again. There are many that I have owned in VHS, LaserDisc, DVD and BluRay. Enough already! From now on, if I ever acquire a 4K set I'll wait until streaming in that format becomes common and then rent the titles.

Netflix and Amazon and Youtube stream a decent amount of their original stuff in 4K and/or HDR (though some of Netflix's stuff masquerades as 4K because it got an HDR pass but isn't in 4K resolution).

Watching Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul in 4K HDR is pretty brilliant.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2018 - 8:40 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

My old HD LCD 37 inch died late last year – and I had a one-time influx of cash so I upgraded to an LG OLED 3D 4K/UHD 55” set, and an OPPO 4k player. It has been an interesting experience. My viewing area makes a hash of the 3D – I am a few feet too close to the TV so cross talk impinges on the 3D image (I’ve thrashed around the room to see if being too close to the TV was the problem, and indeed it was because the cross talk goes away at about 6 feet distance). The OPPO does an amazing job at upconverting old DVDs and newer Blurays – everything 2D looks better. Even my old laser discs looks better on the TV. The difference between HD and UHD can be confounding – and comparisons are often difficult to make because HDR10 and HDR Dolby Vision have separate and distinct presets that automatically engage on the TV and add significant anomalies to the image quality. All of the presets, in addition, can be tweaked and are user-friendly. For example, comparing the regular bluray of “Ghost in the Shell” with the 4K HDR10 disc, and then streaming the same film using HDR Dolby Vision from VUDU is illuminating. The regular bluray looks stunning. Some improved brightness, black image replication, contrasts, deeper colors, and increased sharpness are noticeable on the HDR10 disc, but then other areas of the image quality pop in different ways on the streaming HDR Dolby Vision VUDU version. There are also so many and various settings that can be engaged on the TV that you can spend literally hours futzing with the picture quality until you can’t tell Standard from Bright from Game from Vivid. And that’s only in HDR Dolby Vision (HDR10 has a different set of image presets, as does standard HD). As far as I know there is no readily available home calibration 4K disc, but in any event, I’ve been having a blast with the technology. Most of the time I can see a noticeable, positive, difference between the standard HD and the UHD image. Streaming, of course, adds in fluctuations and occasional lagging/judder, so perhaps those comparisons are unfair. There are times when the image quality is simply jaw dropping in ways that regular blurays can’t touch. There was a controversial forced upgrade by LG to the TV that caused changes in all of the 4K presets – for example the “Game” settings became darker – but I have been able to still tweak the image to what I feel are “good” settings for me personally and for my viewing room.
One cautionary note about my LG OLED (I have the curved 55C6P): I have watched a great deal of content using the YouTube app that came with the TV. The app has been upgraded various times by the TV itself. The app as designed has two small boxes, yellow and green, that are almost always displayed in the lower right hand corner of the app. The boxes only go away when you play a video full screen – but again pop into the display, for example, if you pause or fast forward the video. Those two yellow and green boxes have caused what appears to be a permanent burn in on the screen. This has apparently happened to lots and lots of LG OLED owners (it is a staple of discussion on video forums) – I wish I had been aware of the problem earlier so that I could have changed the frequency and method of my YouTube viewings, etc. I’ve run the “Panel Noise” feature built into the TV that is supposed to help eliminate image retention – but it hasn’t worked. An email to LG resulted in a response that it was the fault of my viewing habits and not the built in YouTube app, which was nonsense as no other apps (Netflix, Amazon, VUDU, Crackle, etc.) have caused me any grief.

So beware the App of YouTube!

Favorite discs are "Planet Earth II", the new Italian 4K Disc of "Suspiria", "Ghost in the Shell", "The Life of Pi", and, believe it or not, "Gods of Egypt."

 
 Posted:   Jan 8, 2018 - 9:24 AM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

Dolby Vision IS HDR. It's just a different standard than HDR10.

Read here: https://www.theverge.com/2017/1/5/14180456/hdr-formats-hdr10-dolby-vision-hlg-advanced-ces-2017

 
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