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 Posted:   Jan 17, 2013 - 11:56 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I have watched several DC (and Marvel) direct-to-dvd movies featuring Batman, Superman, Iron Man etc
and they all are lame.
This is esp. disappointing considering the classy BATMAN:TOS and MASK OF THE PHANTASM

Just watched a dvd with the intriguing premise that Lex Luthor becomes president of the USA!
Unfortunately, like other titles in their series, nothing is done with it. Instead, we get 90 minutes of pure mayhem (emphasis on explosions!)
frown

I guess they are aiming at a different market than BTAS.
Unless i am missing something?
bruce
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 Posted:   Jan 17, 2013 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

None of them are in the same series as the DC Animated Universe (Batman the Animated Series, Superman the Animated Series, Justice League, JL: Unlimited, Batman Beyond), nor are they within any continuity of their own - the Superman of Superman: Doomsday is a completely different character than the Superman of Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths. This allows them to push the characters in different directions, with different voices and animation styles. The concept is good, the execution has, for my money, been so-so. The DC animated movies are mostly based on runs in the comics (slightly altered to work as a film). I thought Green Lantern: First Flight and Batman: Year One were very good. Some of them are only middling quality. The scores are always better than the movies.

I've found the DC movies much better than the Marvel animated movies, although there may be a slight bias. While I do like both major comics labels, at some point in my younger years I decided to care more about DC.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2013 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

Most of these have indeed been disappointing, although the animation itself is always top notch, per Bruce Timm tradition. The only ones I've really enjoyed so far were Superman: Doomsday (the first in the line) and Superman/Batman: Public Enemies. The rest have ranged from mediocre to just plain bad, although I've yet see the latest offering, a two-part adaptation of Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns.

I haven't seen a lot of Marvel's DTVs, but I did enjoy the first Ultimate Avengers.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2013 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

to be honest, the last 'season' of BTAS wasn't that great either.
They changed the character looks (Catwoman is like a pixie!) and had some truly awful
sci-fi/horror like stories (giant insects etc)

bruce

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2013 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   Michael24   (Member)

That was actually The New Batman Adventures, technically a separate series, although it was basically a continuation of B:TAS's continuity. The design was streamlined because B:TAS had ended and much of the crew was now working on Superman: The Animated Series, so they wanted a similar style so that cross-overs between the two shows could work.

Many of the character redesigns were awful. No red lips on Joker? Poison Ivy and especially Catwoman became pencil-thin and ugly, and despite popular opinion I hated the Scarecrow redesign as well. I thought those two seasons of New Adventures was pretty hit-and-miss. When it was good it was really good ("Over the Edge"), but when it was bad it was really bad ("Critters").

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2013 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   Storyteller   (Member)

These are indeed a mixed bag. I absolutely loved the recent The Dark Knight Returns entries. But while part 1 was better than The Dark Knight Rises in my opinion, part 2 was sadly not quite as good, but highly enjoyable.

My favorites so far are Green Lantern: First Flight, Justice League: The New Frontier, The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: Year One.

The good, but not perfect are: Batman: Under The Red Hood, Superman Vs. The Elite, Green Lantern: Emerald Knights, Superman/Batman: Apocalypse (this one is very flawed, but still makes the cut for the performances)

The bad (this comes with the clause that some of these are watchable, but just not very good) Batman Gotham Knights, Superman: Doomsday, Justice League: Doom, Wonder Woman (man did I hate this one), All-Star Superman (too much information for such a short film), Justice League: Crisis On Two Earths (the animated series already did this and did it better), Superman/Shazam: The Return Of Black Adam (man is this a dull collection, however, I loved The Spectre segment but was bored by the rest.)

Just my two cents.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2013 - 5:51 PM   
 By:   random guy   (Member)



My favorites so far are Green Lantern: First Flight, Justice League: The New Frontier, The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: Year One.


agreed. they were quite excellent. throw "Public Enemies" in there. "New Frontier" had a really great score, especially that main title cue.



the other movies though....makes me glad i rented it

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2013 - 7:38 PM   
 By:   Storyteller   (Member)



My favorites so far are Green Lantern: First Flight, Justice League: The New Frontier, The Dark Knight Returns, Batman: Year One.


agreed. they were quite excellent. throw "Public Enemies" in there. "New Frontier" had a really great score, especially that main title cue.



the other movies though....makes me glad i rented it





I think the biggest problem with most of these is that the run time is far too short to do anything proper with the material. The Dark Knight Returns is a great example of how to do it right by at least having larger stories in two parts. Makes me hopeful for The Long Halloween someday.

As tehy stand, most of these are just a lot of running and action scenes whipped together leaving out considerable amounts of back story and character development. All Star Superman is a prime example of this. It moves at such a ridiculous pace that a lot of the events come off as comical instead of meaningful.

Since they are not doing any sort of continuity with any of theses stories, I hope they will abandon the shorter films for larger more meaningful projects. They turn out to generally be worth the wait.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2013 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

looks like most here agree with me - all action, no story

thanks for the recommendations!
bruce

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2013 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

That was actually The New Batman Adventures, technically a separate series, although it was basically a continuation of B:TAS's continuity. The design was streamlined because B:TAS had ended and much of the crew was now working on Superman: The Animated Series, so they wanted a similar style so that cross-overs between the two shows could work.

Many of the character redesigns were awful. No red lips on Joker? Poison Ivy and especially Catwoman became pencil-thin and ugly, and despite popular opinion I hated the Scarecrow redesign as well. I thought those two seasons of New Adventures was pretty hit-and-miss. When it was good it was really good ("Over the Edge"), but when it was bad it was really bad ("Critters").


Actually, one of the main reasons for the re-design was that less lines, meant less cost to create each frame, which saved a lot of time and money.

And I have to say, I'm with you 100% on all the comments on the villain re-designs.

I'd like to also point out Mr. Freeze was eroded away from his more human look, with menacing build, to a Cartoon Network stick figure with cartoony head and weird jaw. And the Penguin was completely changed; he looked more like some poor immitation of the 1066 Penguin, only minus Meredith.

And the Batman we saw in TAS original run, would never have allowed a little kid, no matter how well trained, to trail along to fight bad guys. That was one of the worst things of the new run.

 
 Posted:   Jan 18, 2013 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)



And the Batman we saw in TAS original run, would never have allowed a little kid, no matter how well trained, to trail along to fight bad guys. That was one of the worst things of the new run.


Well, this was what pretty much occurred in the comics with Jason Todd as Robin so it's not totally unheard of for the character...

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2013 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

i always suspected Catwoman (and possibly Bat Girl) were redrawn to de-sexualize them.
You gotta admit (as the series producers did in a commentary track)she is one 'well-endowed" woman!

 
 Posted:   Jun 3, 2013 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

watched DARK KNIGHT RETURNS pt2....

90 minutes of mayhem and murder
just awful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bruce

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2013 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I am giving up on these dvds.
For some reason, i keep thinking that just because folks like Romano & Timm, and Dini are involved it will have the same qualities as B;TAS.

It's time i give up the ghost.
These dvds are aimed at the audience who watches violent video games, and listens to gansta' rap & heavy metal.

adios DC
frown
brm

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2013 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   Gary S.   (Member)

watched DARK KNIGHT RETURNS pt2....

90 minutes of mayhem and murder
just awful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bruce


So I take it you weren't familiar with Frank Miller's 4 issue series.

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2013 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   mstrox   (Member)

I've never been a fan of Miller's TDKR (or Miller's work in general, excepting Batman: Year One) so I haven't checked out those DTV movies yet,. I'm sure I will eventually, but it's not a priority.

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2013 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

watched DARK KNIGHT RETURNS pt2....

90 minutes of mayhem and murder
just awful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bruce


So I take it you weren't familiar with Frank Miller's 4 issue series.


I read it.
The book at least gives the characters some depth thru the use of interior monologue.
This aspect is totally absent from the movie
Also, i dont think there is a scene where Batman lands on a roof populated by 50 machine wielding policeman and escapes unharmed after dodging app. 10.000 bullets!!!
brm

 
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