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Can't say I've noticed anything like that.
As far as I can tell, it sounds pristine.
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Thanks. My mystery continues.
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I have em all and I would just sum it up this way... the LLL renders both previous editions obsolete, and by that I mean there's almost no reason to ever listen to others again, except maybe for nostalgia.
I disagree! The producers of the La La Land album remastered everything beautifully EXCEPT for the original soundtrack album tracks. (Anyone know why that is?) The Columbia album, on the other hand, was remastered in 24 bit high definition sound. Therefore, tracks such as "Ilia's Theme," "The Meld," Spock Walk," and the "Main Title" sound much cleaner than on the La La Land 2nd CD.
I think that the version of "Illia's Theme" on the Columbia album is worth the price alone.
I believe the reason for the OST tracks not being remastered is that they are literally the original album tracks from the digital album master, and we are given this unaltered from the source.
It would have been great to have Ilia's Theme album take from the 16-track on this set, but TBH, I don't miss it at all. We have the album version direct from the digital album master.
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The La La release of ST:TMP is the definitive version of this classic soundtrack.Any other release is obsolete now.
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I love having the 1999 Sony release, but the LLL is one of the most essential releases in my entire library. Believe me, I am only too familiar with the agony of having to make purchase decisions based on whether one thing might save me even a paltry $10 or $20 over something I want more, so I absolutely can't fault you for it if it's really your situation.
That said, for me personally the LLL is one of the absolute greatest CD releases of anything I've ever come across, and I am so so so so glad to have it. Though I could certainly use every dollar I spent on it for other things, I don't regret the purchase one bit, and wouldn't even if it had been two or three times as much. It's easily worth every penny and then some.
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And all that said, who else remembers the agonizingly long wait for the 1999 Sony release, back in the day? It wasn't even going to be a 1999 release, originally, but after the announcement it kept getting pushed back, then back again, then back some more, until the delay finally wound up being something like three or four years after the originally-announced date. It did at least allow them to label it a 20th anniversary release, which is kind of neat, but man, I remember feeling like Sony (and/or Paramount) was just deliberately toying with us to make us suffer...
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Ah, yep! On the "Inner Workings" track, it starts a bit late (blaster beam sounds like it started in the middle) and it's a whole minute shorter, cutting off at the 3 minute mark as Kirk looks at the V'Ger nameplate.
I remember being slightly disappointed when the 20th Aniiversary edition didn't have the "V-O-Y-A-G-E-R! VOYAGER !!!" moment, but being pleased as punch at getting more of the score.
"The Forcefield" was one of the grail cues for that score for me, and I must have played that cue a million times, just hitting the "Back" button so many times.
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And all that said, who else remembers the agonizingly long wait for the 1999 Sony release, back in the day? It wasn't even going to be a 1999 release, originally, but after the announcement it kept getting pushed back, then back again, then back some more, until the delay finally wound up being something like three or four years after the originally-announced date. It did at least allow them to label it a 20th anniversary release, which is kind of neat, but man, I remember feeling like Sony (and/or Paramount) was just deliberately toying with us to make us suffer...
I remember it vividly. Ouch. It was frustrating. But it did give them time to find Floating Office which wasn’t going to be on the CD.
So if I mix Inner Workings from 1999 into LLL do I get the film track?
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And all that said, who else remembers the agonizingly long wait for the 1999 Sony release, back in the day? It wasn't even going to be a 1999 release, originally, but after the announcement it kept getting pushed back, then back again, then back some more, until the delay finally wound up being something like three or four years after the originally-announced date. It did at least allow them to label it a 20th anniversary release, which is kind of neat, but man, I remember feeling like Sony (and/or Paramount) was just deliberately toying with us to make us suffer...
I remember it vividly. Ouch. It was frustrating. But it did give them time to find Floating Office which wasn’t going to be on the CD.
So if I mix Inner Workings from 1999 into LLL do I get the film track?
No. The 1999 expanded release contains an edited down version of an alternate take (the full alternate take is on LLLR CD3 track 12, I think), and the 1999 CD fades out before it gets to the blaster beam and wind machine section of the cue.
The LLLR score presents every film take of every cue in the main body of the score. The wind machine was simply mixed extremely low, but I think it's still there.
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No. The 1999 expanded release contains an edited down version of an alternate take (the full alternate take is on LLLR CD3 track 12, I think), and the 1999 CD fades out before it gets to the blaster beam and wind machine section of the cue.
The LLLR score presents every film take of every cue in the main body of the score. The wind machine was simply mixed extremely low, but I think it's still there.
Ah good, because that was my memory of it. I also just listened to the main track and heard the wind machine. I was thinking "Do I not know what a wind machine is?" 
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With regards to the approach to the remix being how Goldsmith would have wanted them, I can hear this in the reverb that was added to the mix, making it "wetter" (I think that's the term), something Goldsmith had a preference for.
So the wind machine being mixed lower plays into the aesthetic, and though effective in the film, would not be as pleasing on CD.
I think the idea behind the remix from the 16-track backup master was to make it sound more pleasing on CD than simply presenting the stereo film stems.
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I have some money coming my way soon and will be catching up with some soundtracks, and I was thinking it's time I get Star Trek: The Motion Picture. It's part of the "Original Six" film scores that got me into film music in the first place as a kid, and I've actually never had it on CD, just my dad's vinyl LP (which I still have).
I know LLL released a 3-disc set last year and I'm sure it's splendid, but I really don't want to drop $35+ on one album, and I don't need all the rejected/alternate cues and such. The film is not one burned into my memory (I think I've only ever seen it once), so I don't feel like I need every last note. I just want a good representation of the score, so that's why I was eyeing the 1999 Columbia Records release over the CD version of the LP, since I believe that featured different performances of cues from the film versions. It also adds a good deal more material and looks to have the bulk of the score. (By my estimate, the LLL release only adds about an extra 17-18 minutes, whereas the Columbia CD is already about 65 minutes.)
I remember a lot of fans complaining about this release when it came out, but I was just curious what people think about it and if it would be worth purchasing based on what I'm looking for. Thanks.
It's one of those soundtracks that hooked me on film music as a kid. The LaLaLand set is a dream come true for anyone who wants to explore the score, the 1999 Sony/Columbia set is an excellent representation for a flowing one hour listening experience. (The original Columbia soundtrack album, the one that originally got me into this music, pales in comparison.)
So if -- as you said -- you just want a good representation of the score to listen through, the Sony/Columbia set will fully suffice. I recommend it.
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