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 Posted:   Mar 16, 2013 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

With all the newly found treasures from the Paramount vault, is it possible that we will eventually get a CD release of Aaron Copland's oscar winning score to THE HEIRESS ? Does anybody have any thoughts on this ?

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Score Whore   (Member)

I read this article just now, and it states, "A copy of the original tracks resides in the Fine Arts Library at the University of Texas".

https://wordsofnote.wordpress.com/articles/heiress/

I want a soundtrack. At this stage, I don't care if it's original or a rerecording. I just want to be able to enjoy it outside the film.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

I read this article just now, and it states, "A copy of the original tracks resides in the Fine Arts Library at the University of Texas".

https://wordsofnote.wordpress.com/articles/heiress/

I want a soundtrack. At this stage, I don't care if it's original or a rerecording. I just want to be able to enjoy it outside the film.


I agree with you completely. Original or rerecording, it doesn't matter. This score is long overdue on CD. Please don't let this thread disappear down the line. Thanks.

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)



I want a soundtrack. At this stage, I don't care if it's original or a rerecording. I just want to be able to enjoy it outside the film.




But Copland was angry about the 'retouchings' done by the studio orchestrators. That needs addressed, so he'd want a re-recording if asked.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 10:25 AM   
 By:   daretodream   (Member)



I want a soundtrack. At this stage, I don't care if it's original or a rerecording. I just want to be able to enjoy it outside the film.




But Copland was angry about the 'retouchings' done by the studio orchestrators. That needs addressed, so he'd want a re-recording if asked.


Maybe James Fitzpatrick would be interested in launching a new crowdfunding campaign to release this gem?

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)



I want a soundtrack. At this stage, I don't care if it's original or a rerecording. I just want to be able to enjoy it outside the film.




But Copland was angry about the 'retouchings' done by the studio orchestrators. That needs addressed, so he'd want a re-recording if asked.


Does he need to be asked ? He's no longer with us. Is it his estate that has to be dealt with now?Can the Paramount vault release all they have to a specialty label without the estate's approval ?

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   WILLIAMDMCCRUM   (Member)


Does he need to be asked ? He's no longer with us. Is it his estate that has to be dealt with now?Can the Paramount vault release all they have to a specialty label without the estate's approval ?



Was there not a shelved attempt (but with some material recorded) by a poster here to get this done last year or so? What happened there?

I dunno if they need the estate's approval or not, but y'know, the assumption would be that his original intent and score were presumably better than the OST adaptation.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 10:46 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)


Does he need to be asked ? He's no longer with us. Is it his estate that has to be dealt with now?Can the Paramount vault release all they have to a specialty label without the estate's approval ?



Was there not a shelved attempt (but with some material recorded) by a poster here to get this done last year or so? What happened there?

I dunno if they need the estate's approval or not, but y'know, the assumption would be that his original intent and score were presumably better than the OST adaptation.


If we can't get his original intent, I would be happy with what is in the Paramount vault.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Jim Doherty   (Member)

Is it possible that Copland's original version of the Prelude is included in the recordings housed at the University of Texas? I mean, he did record it; it was only changed after the fact.

If not, at least there is still that nice suite done by Leonard Slatkin on RCA that has the original Prelude.

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I doubt we'll be getting any more new Copland film music recordings, after the apparent legal troubles that the last complete Naxos re-recording two-fer went through. (I hope I'm wrong.)

But Paramount should own rights to the original film recording and could license it to a label if it survived, so I'm going to concentrate my hopes on that possibility!

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 2:37 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)


I too have the Leonard Slatkin suite and enjoy it, but it's only 8 minutes.

If the tracks still exist at Paramount can they be issued on a CD with no legal problems?

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 8:52 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

There are no Copland tracks at paramount--sorry!

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

There are no Copland tracks at paramount--sorry!

Lukas


I am sorry to hear that from a source I know to be most reliable, Lukas Kendall. That just leaves a rerecording if allowed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

There are no Copland tracks at paramount--sorry!

Lukas


I am sorry to hear that from a source I know to be most reliable, Lukas Kendall. That just leaves a rerecording if allowed.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 9:14 PM   
 By:   PFK   (Member)

There are no Copland tracks at paramount--sorry!

Lukas




Thanks for letting us know Lukas. frown

 
 Posted:   Jul 23, 2015 - 10:18 PM   
 By:   Score Whore   (Member)

The music as heard in the film plus all of Copland's replaced music? It would bring me too much happiness. I've been trying to source recordings of the dances at the engagement party and I've only found one, the Gavotte in D Major "Rosine". According the article, since Copland wrote two of the dance pieces, there'll be no hope of finding them anywhere. I also downloaded a piano version of Plaisir D'amour. Combined with the Slatkin suite, that's my THE HEIRESS soundtrack for now. I have the score as an "archival" digital file but there's so much noise it's very hard to enjoy.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2015 - 3:15 AM   
 By:   RonBurbella   (Member)

Like Score Whore, I've come across a CDR of the rather noisy acetates of Copeland's score to THE HEIRESS.

I searched "University of Texas" and "Fine Arts Library" and was able to locate this link:

http://catalog.lib.utexas.edu/search~S29?/X%22The+Heiress%22&searchscope=29&SORT=DZ/X%22The+Heiress%22&searchscope=29&SORT=DZ&extended=0&SUBKEY=%22The+Heiress%22/1%2C155%2C155%2CB/frameset&FF=X%22The+Heiress%22&searchscope=29&SORT=DZ&22%2C22%2C

Now that sure sounds like the original tracks, conducted by the composer!

Do we have any Texans here who could check it out?

Ron Burbella

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2015 - 6:23 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Ron, I already checked the site and was going to post when I got a reply from the head of the department. Since you're inquiring, here's what I've found so far.
There are two possible listings - the one you posted is a CD (or cdr). It could be a digitized version of original recording, or it could be CD from a boxset that didnt get labelled correctly. Here's a shorter link: http://catalog.lib.utexas.edu/record=b4977408~S29

The other listing is a tape: http://catalog.lib.utexas.edu/record=b4126642~S29

I requested via email if he could clarify what their contents is. They're both in storage somewhere and not readily available. Both listings indicate they are for in-library use only, and cant be requested.

On the other hand, the library indicates it digitizes material, and will copy and share material according to "fair use" provisions; it requires copyright permission for commercial use.
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/fal/historical-music-recordings-collection/copyright-digitization
However, the assistant I spoke with wasnt aware of ANY of this, and said the Head said nothing could be copied, shared, etc.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2015 - 7:05 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Ron, I already checked the site and was going to post when I got a reply from the head of the department. Since you're inquiring, here's what I've found so far.
There are two possible listings - the one you posted is a CD (or cdr). It could be a digitized version of original recording, or it could be CD from a boxset that didnt get labelled correctly. Here's a shorter link: http://catalog.lib.utexas.edu/record=b4977408~S29

The other listing is a tape: http://catalog.lib.utexas.edu/record=b4126642~S29

I requested via email if he could clarify what their contents is. They're both in storage somewhere and not readily available. Both listings indicate they are for in-library use only, and cant be requested.

On the other hand, the library indicates it digitizes material, and will copy and share material according to "fair use" provisions; it requires copyright permission for commercial use.
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/fal/historical-music-recordings-collection/copyright-digitization
However, the assistant I spoke with wasnt aware of ANY of this, and said the Head said nothing could be copied, shared, etc.


Very complicated to say the least. Where does anyone go from here ??????

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 24, 2015 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Very complicated to say the least. Where does anyone go from here ??????

I dont think so. Just a few questions need answering. There's conflicting info whether the layman can access the music or not, and the Head will simply say 'yay or nay.' That wont interest most people here since they want a retail release.

The main question is whether either recording is original tracks or not. As for getting a retail release out of this, a soundtrack label would have to chime in about getting copyright permission or not, which is par for the course.

Here's the "archival" version floating around. If the library holding was its source, then it will require extensive remastering.

 
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