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Jun 11, 2015 - 8:16 AM
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Ado
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@John
You have some fair points, I felt that the Clooney to camera into was too long as well.
Do not agree with all those other points. As far as criminal, well the marvel stuff all hinges on some puzzle box mystery device, which is completely irrelevant to anyone. The whole GOTG narrative was just pointless drivel as well, I could not care less if Star Lord destroyed anyone, it was pointless. And the Avengers stuff has become the same way, manufactured ultra-thin shaved narrative nonsense, and more thinly drawn characters than anyone could ever get to know, or care about.
Tomorrowland, for it's imperfections, has an original idea and a scope, that most of these retread comic book sequel-ized things just do not. Personally, I prefer an imperfectly achieved movie with original idea with some scope, than a retread, reboot, sequel of a comic book that has a firmly predetermined - masterplanned outcome without drama.
The comic book stuff now is the mass manufactured movie equivalent of a Ford Escort, predictable, safe and really pretty dull.
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But there are other movies out there than comic book movies to compare Tomorrowland to, and that is its downfall. If Tomorrowland were the ONLY movie in existence next to Marvel's output, you would have a valid point.
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The comic book stuff now is the mass manufactured movie equivalent of a Ford Escort, predictable, safe and really pretty dull.
Well, they're still making comic book movies. The same cannot be said about Ford Escorts.
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Jun 11, 2015 - 11:11 AM
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John Mullin
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Yeah, I am comparing it to similarly scaled big budget fare, if you would like to mention other current movies, you can do that. I just think 'garbage' is hyperbolic. There are garbage movies, Bay, Bruckheimer, and lower class fare like Robert Rodriguez and similar.
But I'm not. I've got 2 young children at home and am barely making it out to any movies at all. I made the effort to see TOMORROWLAND because I love Brad Bird and thought that MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE: GHOST: PROTOCOL was excellent. TOMORROWLAND isn't. While there are a few brilliant set pieces, it's a movie that simply doesn't work.
"But I can make it work!" the young George Clooney character might have protested, to which I side with Hugh Laurie: "But it doesn't work now." I'm sure it would have been inspiring to some degree if it had worked. Maybe next time. I can't recommend that anyone blow 3 hours and the cost of admission to see this movie as it is, however.
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Jun 11, 2015 - 11:57 AM
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mastadge
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While there are a few brilliant set pieces, it's a movie that simply doesn't work.
I agree. Finally saw it, remained quite optimistic, but, well, for a movie about the importance of being an optimistic dreamer it sure didn't have much soul. We had the big stakes -- the end of the world is coming! says the machine, but we've all seen enough Philip K. Dick movies to know that the future machines are wrong in these movies -- but no little stakes. Where was the adversity for Casey? Did she learn, grow, have any real role in this movie?
Really it felt like the whole thing was first and second act, and then just as it was all about to come to a head the movie was like, "just kidding, we're not going anywhere and there is no plan. Just be optimistic and things'll work out!" And the way things ended I was halfway expecting the characters to literally address the audience and tell us to be good little imagineers. It also all felt very small, for all the scale of the CG setpieces. What were the politics of people in Tomorrowland other than Nix? Where were they? How did they occupy their time?
(Also I'm a little curious about what the plan was in the end. Like, I hope they learned that bringing all the artists and scientists to a separate dimension doesn't end politics and cliquishness and squabbling. Creative types are still human. Were they planning on bringing those people to Tomorrowland to create resources that could help the people on earth? Or is it more of a "create a better tomorrow today, but only for us elites, and the earthling dunces can take care of themselves"?)
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Jun 11, 2015 - 1:21 PM
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Ado
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I agree that the last act is the most problematic. There are some limitations to a movie like this, or any optimistic future movie. I would argue it is much easier to make a pessimistic future movie.
In old sci-fi like Star Trek you could paint the future with an optimistic brush without a lot (or any) explanation. They had lines like, "in the future we have eliminated poverty, hunger, wars and greed". Well that is a large claim, and like all of Trek, how that is achieved is entirely unexplained. That is a lot easier for the writers.
Tomorrowland falls earlier in time closer to our own, where they are not anywhere near this utopia. How they hope to achieve either the completion of "tomorrowland" or bettering this world is unexplained other than something to do with these inspired dreamers, brilliant people that are plucked up at the end of the movie.
This is a big concept movie, that has not filled in the blanks and maybe not enough details, so that means that the end is not really much of a conclusion, but a "what's next?" or "what if?" That is obviously less gratifying for an audience.
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How Lindelof continues to be sought for scripts is beyond me!
I know, he is the kiss of death.
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Sep 2, 2015 - 11:08 AM
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MikeP
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I too really wanted to like this film and went in with a lot of goodwill towards Brad Bird and the fact it wasn't a prequel/sequel/remake/reboot.
But no matter how I look at it, it's a hell of a mess. Half baked doesn't even nearly cut it.
Sure, there are some neat(ish) ideas in amongst things, it all looks quite good (for the most part) and I liked the score (once I'd recognised the bit from Rosenthal's Clash Of The Titans, which kept distracting me during the film).
But I can't see who the film is aimed at.
It's too talky and complicated for most kids today and too silly and ill-thought out for adults.
It's way too long and the structure is a complete mess. How Lindelof continues to be sought for scripts is beyond me!
Sorry, but a no-no for me.
Haven't seen the movie, and I haven't read any of Lindelof's scripts. His film projects have all been based on existing material or franchises, and none of them have really knocked me out. Who knows how his original scripts differed from the films. However, for me, some his episodes of LOST were great. I'd be interested in a completely original script from Lindelof that doesn't have to conform to an existing property.
Back on topic, the Tomorrowland score hasn't clicked with me yet but to be honest, I've only played it once or twice. Kinda fell off my radar and needs a revisiting.
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