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 Posted:   Apr 18, 2013 - 8:14 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

The new HANNIBAL television series is perverse and macabre, and IMHO it's by far the best iteration of the Lecter saga on film/TV next to SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. A huge part of the success of the show is Brian Reitzell's offbeat score. Much the same way Chris Young did so brilliantly with SINISTER, Reitzell creates more of a soundscape than a true musical score, using odd instruments and ambient textures to unsettling effect. It's some of the most interesting and unique TV scoring I've heard in a long time. It's so good it could be a reason to watch the show even if you don't necessarily like it. Coupled with the so far solid acting from stars Hugh Dancy and Mads Mikkelsen and a visual artistry lacking from nearly every other network program, the show has a chance to be something special, if NBC sticks with it.

Has anyone else seen either of the first two episodes?

Here's a good example of the show's musical and visual style from last week's episode:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/478050#i1,p0,d1

Not for everyone I'm sure.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2013 - 9:34 AM   
 By:   foxmorty   (Member)

i am really digging the show, but then i have pretty much been a bryan fuller enthusiast for everything he does. music is certianly a backseat in this show though, a complete 180 from pushing daisies. but you are right in that what i have noticed is pure sound design and very effective for the show. but from what i've heard so far it may be tough to get an album from this one.

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2013 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

but from what i've heard so far it may be tough to get an album from this one.

Can't say I'm surprised, and frankly I'm not sure I'd want one. But hoo boy does Reitzell's score work like gangbusters in the show.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2013 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   ryankeaveney   (Member)

If this show was on HBO it would be the hottest shit, ever. But it's on NBC, so no one is paying attention. Too bad, because it's finally network TV fit for grown-ups.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2013 - 4:32 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

After the first episode I gave up. If it gets on track and settles into a groove I may give it another try, however. While there was a nice style to the show overall, Will Graham was just portrayed as a nutjob from the beginning, all the nervous tics and unkempt jittery appearance. In Red Dragon/ Manhunter, at worst he was ... haunted... not a jumpy head case.

Plus he made some tremendous deductive leaps that were just silly. It is understood that he gets into the mindset of a killer but...at several point he just seemed to pull huge leaps in reasoning from thin air, which turn out to be just 100% right.

It was a nice shoutout to have them use Garrett Jacob Hobbs, but it was a throwaway. Hobbs could have been used in a multi episode arc to show Will's decline as he gets closer and feels more, but they pretty much tossed it out as a quickie.

It just felt like a mess. After the season ends if the buzz is still positive, I might try it on DVD, but the premier episode didn't promise good things frown

I really wanted to like it ....

 
 Posted:   Apr 18, 2013 - 10:49 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

After the first episode I gave up. If it gets on track and settles into a groove I may give it another try, however. While there was a nice style to the show overall, Will Graham was just portrayed as a nutjob from the beginning, all the nervous tics and unkempt jittery appearance. In Red Dragon/ Manhunter, at worst he was ... haunted... not a jumpy head case.

Plus he made some tremendous deductive leaps that were just silly. It is understood that he gets into the mindset of a killer but...at several point he just seemed to pull huge leaps in reasoning from thin air, which turn out to be just 100% right.

It was a nice shoutout to have them use Garrett Jacob Hobbs, but it was a throwaway. Hobbs could have been used in a multi episode arc to show Will's decline as he gets closer and feels more, but they pretty much tossed it out as a quickie.

It just felt like a mess. After the season ends if the buzz is still positive, I might try it on DVD, but the premier episode didn't promise good things frown

I really wanted to like it ....


I think you pretty much hit it, Mike. I don't think I'm a fan of the really dark stuff (this and THE FOLLOWING for example) on prime time network tv. If I still had young children at home I would be really disturbed about it, as a matter of fact. Good for HBO or Showtime, maybe, though I doubt I would watch either show even there, based on first episodes of each.

 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2013 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

While there was a nice style to the show overall, Will Graham was just portrayed as a nutjob from the beginning, all the nervous tics and unkempt jittery appearance. In Red Dragon/ Manhunter, at worst he was ... haunted... not a jumpy head case.

That's he's on the autism spectrum is to me was the key twist that could separate and elevate the TV show. He's not just an otherwise ordinary man "haunted" because of his ability, where we're hit over the head time and again with how haunted he is in the same rote way. He has a real, tangible deficiency trouble with social interactions and processing his own psyche. It's much more interesting to me and I think provides much more fertile ground for drama and conflict than, say, the narcissism of a character like House. We'll see if that aspect of his character is maintained or conveniently pushed to the side over the course of the run in favor of more traditional Haunted Man Solves Crime procedural stories.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 19, 2013 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)

While there was a nice style to the show overall, Will Graham was just portrayed as a nutjob from the beginning, all the nervous tics and unkempt jittery appearance. In Red Dragon/ Manhunter, at worst he was ... haunted... not a jumpy head case.

That's he's on the autism spectrum is to me was the key twist that could separate and elevate the TV show. He's not just an otherwise ordinary man "haunted" because of his ability, where we're hit over the head time and again with how haunted he is in the same rote way. He has a real, tangible deficiency trouble with social interactions and processing his own psyche. It's much more interesting to me and I think provides much more fertile ground for drama and conflict than, say, the narcissism of a character like House. We'll see if that aspect of his character is maintained or conveniently pushed to the side over the course of the run in favor of more traditional Haunted Man Solves Crime procedural stories.


well yeah thank Goodness he ISN'T another tiring House-type character. There were things I liked in the pilot, but a lot that bugged me. I did DVR last night's episode and might check it out.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2014 - 7:01 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

I did not want to see another stab at this material at all. I thought it was all maxed out, this whole serial killer genre.

But then I gave the show a chance - and I was hooked from the beginning. The wonderful thing is that it is not just a "serial killer of the week"-procedural but offers several big story arcs so that the show really is about the relationships between the characters.

Visually and sonically, this is also a very intelligent take on the genre, and the music by Reitzell fits perfectly.

I hope some label will pick this up and release a score CD.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2014 - 10:52 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

I did not want to see another stab at this material at all. I thought it was all maxed out, this whole serial killer genre.

But then I gave the show a chance - and I was hooked from the beginning. The wonderful thing is that it is not just a "serial killer of the week"-procedural but offers several big story arcs so that the show really is about the relationships between the characters.

Visually and sonically, this is also a very intelligent take on the genre, and the music by Reitzell fits perfectly.

I hope some label will pick this up and release a score CD.


Glad you gave it a chance! It never managed to find the right balance between the major story arcs and the procedural of the week, but the interplay between Lecter and Graham was never less than fascinating, and Mikkelsen's performance will IMHO go down as one of the greatest in all of television. I think he'd be getting a lot more notice for it if he weren't playing Hannibal Lecter. The look he gives Graham in the final shot of the season absolutely floored me.

Now having digested the whole season, I'm much more confident now that I'd like an album of the score.

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2014 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

dp

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2014 - 11:44 PM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

I did not want to see another stab at this material at all. I thought it was all maxed out, this whole serial killer genre.

But then I gave the show a chance - and I was hooked from the beginning. The wonderful thing is that it is not just a "serial killer of the week"-procedural but offers several big story arcs so that the show really is about the relationships between the characters.

Visually and sonically, this is also a very intelligent take on the genre, and the music by Reitzell fits perfectly.

I hope some label will pick this up and release a score CD.


Glad you gave it a chance! It never managed to find the right balance between the major story arcs and the procedural of the week, but the interplay between Lecter and Graham was never less than fascinating, and Mikkelsen's performance will IMHO go down as one of the greatest in all of television. I think he'd be getting a lot more notice for it if he weren't playing Hannibal Lecter. The look he gives Graham in the final shot of the season absolutely floored me.

Now having digested the whole season, I'm much more confident now that I'd like an album of the score.


I agree on everything but your criticism on the balance of the story arcs and the procedural. I think one of the great joys of this show is how varied this balance was and therefore unpredictable. Personally, I do not like procedurals that much, the format is always annoying to me because I know exactly how everything will happen. "Hannibal" deliciously played around with its format.

Just my two cents.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2014 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   Mike Skerritt   (Member)

I agree on everything but your criticism on the balance of the story arcs and the procedural. I think one of the great joys of this show is how varied this balance was and therefore unpredictable. Personally, I do not like procedurals that much, the format is always annoying to me because I know exactly how everything will happen. "Hannibal" deliciously played around with its format.

Just my two cents.


Just to clarify my thoughts, one of the big delights of the show for me was the gothic and perverse M.O.s they'd come up with for the killers. So it's not that I didn't think the procedural stuff was worthwhile, but they seemed more interested in inventing these (admittedly great) exotic serial killer patterns but less interested in working them into the overall fabric of the show. A few times they'd just quickly wrap up the case in the last couple minutes of the show like they were checking off a list. Thinking of the Henriksen episode as a notable example.

But as far as I'm concerned it's nitpicking because the show is otherwise so overwhelmingly strong. Can't wait for season 2!

 
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