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 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

http://filmmusicreporter.com/2013/05/17/mark-mancina-scoring-disneys-planes/

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 7:43 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Could be good! Interesting how John Lasseter refused to allow this under the Pixar banner. wink

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   Matt B   (Member)

Interesting how John Lasseter refused to allow this under the Pixar banner.

Could we get a reference on this statement? Preferably one with a quote from Lasseter? Because I know that the PLANES project was begun at Disney Toon as a direct to video "sequel", and later got a theatrical release based on fan response. I've never heard of Lasseter "refusing" anything, so I'd love to learn more...

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Interesting how John Lasseter refused to allow this under the Pixar banner.

Could we get a reference on this statement? Preferably one with a quote from Lasseter? Because I know that the PLANES project was begun at Disney Toon as a direct to video "sequel", and later got a theatrical release based on fan response. I've never heard of Lasseter "refusing" anything, so I'd love to learn more...


Sorry I don't know where I read that. It was not a direct quote. So yeah, could be BS. But what I got out of it was that he wanted this produced by the Disney label, inferring that all these sequels/spin offs are hurting the Pixar brand. If I have the time I will do an internet search on the subject.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 12:25 PM   
 By:   Peter Atterberg   (Member)

What were the last few movies Mark Mancina has done? I can't recall.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 12:28 PM   
 By:   mastadge   (Member)

What were the last few movies Mark Mancina has done? I can't recall.

Has he done anything with any kind of score release since Shooter and August Rush back in '07? Is he still working on the Criminal Minds show? The last score of his I have is from the anime Blood+, which has its moments. Oh, yeah, and LLL's release of his video game score Sorcery last year, which I listened to once and promptly forgot about. Worth revisiting?

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

What were the last few movies Mark Mancina has done? I can't recall.

Scoring work:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0006183/

Not much. And IMDb shows he's no longer doing "Criminal Minds", but rather Marc & Steffan Fantini.

He has had some films on his resume (on his website) for years that never went anywhere:
"Without a Badge" (doesn't look like it got made)
"Like Dandelion Dust" (replaced by Nathan Larson; I don't know if Mancina recorded)
"First Love" (animated film that's apparently been shelved, as Mancina's old bio said from the time, 2009, "Mark is currently working on the animated film First Love")
"Stopping Power" (Jan De Bont film; apparently never made)

And according to SoundtrackCollector, the LLLR release "Sorcery" was indeed the last CD of score release. Before that was indeed "August Rush":
http://soundtrackcollector.com/catalog/composerdiscography.php?composerid=1150&offset=80

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   jfallon   (Member)

Man this guy was at the top of the popular list back in the 90's... Bad Boys, Twister, Money Train, Speed 1 and 2, Bait... What happened? Maybe his style got old quick?

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   Koray Savas   (Member)

Mancina helped pioneer the 90s action sound with Zimmer. As the years went by, he became less in demand as a composer, occasionally doing small films. August Rush is a fantastic and beautiful score. He has real talent, it's unfortunate he doesn't get big projects. Glad to see him doing something like this.

I believe he did the new arrangement for the Disney logo however many years ago, guess they kept his number.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 3:53 PM   
 By:   The REAL BJBien   (Member)

hope brings up interest in re-releasing TARZAN

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 7:54 PM   
 By:   yonythemoony   (Member)

I've read that the music from the trailer is actually Mancina's score. So good to have him back, there isn't one day where I don't listen to Twister.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 9:02 PM   
 By:   raffster   (Member)

Could be good! Interesting how John Lasseter refused to allow this under the Pixar banner. wink

Why would they release it as a Pixar film if it wasn't produced by Pixar? Though Disney Animation Studios, Disney Toon Studios, and Pixar are all owned by Disney, they are three separate animation studios.

While you might infer that Pixar's staff would feel that giving it their banner would hurt their brand, it's quite the reverse. How would the artists, animators, and production staff at Disney Toon feel about their film being advertised as having been made by other artists? The fact of the matter is that every film, short film, and even future tv specials that have the Pixar logo at the head, were made within the Pixar studios building. Claiming Planes as a Pixar film would not be "wrong" or "damaging," it would simply be lying and not true. Also, in the case that the film is garbage, that practice could be seen as attempting to trick the audience into the theaters (in which case, Lasseter should be applauded for keeping honest with the marketing). There will likely, however, be a credit in the film stating "based on characters created by Pixar" or something along those lines.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

Could be good! Interesting how John Lasseter refused to allow this under the Pixar banner. wink

Why would they release it as a Pixar film if it wasn't produced by Pixar? Though Disney Animation Studios, Disney Toon Studios, and Pixar are all owned by Disney, they are three separate animation studios.

While you might infer that Pixar's staff would feel that giving it their banner would hurt their brand, it's quite the reverse. How would the artists, animators, and production staff at Disney Toon feel about their film being advertised as having been made by other artists? The fact of the matter is that every film, short film, and even future tv specials that have the Pixar logo at the head, were made within the Pixar studios building. Claiming Planes as a Pixar film would not be "wrong" or "damaging," it would simply be lying and not true. Also, in the case that the film is garbage, that practice could be seen as attempting to trick the audience into the theaters (in which case, Lasseter should be applauded for keeping honest with the marketing). There will likely, however, be a credit in the film stating "based on characters created by Pixar" or something along those lines.


They can call it what they like. It looks like a Pixar film. It looks like a Pixar spin-off. The general public is going to think its a Pixar film.

Yet it was not produced directly at Pixar or promoted as a Pixar off-shoot. There has been some grumblings that Disney's buy out of Pixar has hurt its branding. Other than Toy Story 3, Pixar films have had mixed reviews and made less and less at the box office. Cars 2 their low point. So do you think Lasseter wanted Planes on their resume?

Planes could and should have been a Pixar film. But my guess is they were worried about it's reception. But now they have the best of both worlds. Looks like a Pixar film to draw in the audience, established a whole new toy franchise, and if there are any grumblings over the product the can say, "It's NOT Pixar!"

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 7:32 AM   
 By:   First Breath   (Member)

Man this guy was at the top of the popular list back in the 90's... Bad Boys, Twister, Money Train, Speed 1 and 2, Bait... What happened? Maybe his style got old quick?

I also have a feeling that he isn't the workaholic type like Zimmer. He probably enjoys long times with not scoring films. He probably can afford it...

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   raffster   (Member)

So do you think Lasseter wanted Planes on their resume?

Planes could and should have been a Pixar film. But my guess is they were worried about it's reception. But now they have the best of both worlds. Looks like a Pixar film to draw in the audience, established a whole new toy franchise, and if there are any grumblings over the product the can say, "It's NOT Pixar!"


I think there is a confusion to how the production at Pixar works. While at different times in Disney's pipeline and management, a sequel idea is brewed and then assigned to a team, that's not how Pixar has ever worked. Even though Cars was a merchandise success, no one at Disney, even Lasseter dictated to Pixar: "Make Cars 2." A suggestion may have been made, that certain franchises could be expanded and that would be good for the mothership. But until they had an idea for Cars 2 that a director at Pixar wanted to turn into their next film, it wouldn't have been a go. The idea to reinvent the franchise with a spy film intrigued them enough to go with it, quickly. Likewise, Finding Dory, I think is obviously the case of Andrew Stanton feeling the sting of John Carter's marketing fumble, and feeling that he wants to follow up with a home run. From the passion you get from them on that project, it's obviously something they they are excited for the story.

On the other end of the token, both Toy Story 2 and 3 started off as Disney sequels to Pixar films. 2 was something that Pixar was ok with Disney developing for home video, but then they had a lightbulb idea and wanted to take it over to do their own thing. 3 was a little more of a complicated situation as it revolved around the time when Disney and Pixar's contract was up and they were possibly going to split up, with Disney having the rights to make sequels to the films already produced during their partnership. After completing the new deal, they took a look at what Disney was developing, hated it, then worked on their own sequel. As is evident in the final film, that project was handled with love and passion by all involved, not a simple dictated production handed to them by a committee.

Turning back around to Planes, from what I can tell, someone at Disney, or even possibly marketing, had the idea to take a look at the other areas of the Cars world after we saw some more glimpses of Planes and Boats in Cars 2. If Pixar took a look at it, they decided it wasn't something that they themselves wanted to take on, or even asked that if such a project was handled by another division, that it not involve the characters already in the Cars films, so that they themselves would handle any future adventures with the original crew. The happy medium is obviously this film featuring all new characters, yet having the same aesthetic and vehicular charm of the Cars series. It wasn't something that Pixar WANTED to do, and they have the power within the studio to turn such projects down, OR it is in fact something that the people at Disney Toon pitched and are excited to work on, which is great for them and the film itself.

If Disney's marketing department and Lasseter were foolish enough to think that pushing films through Pixar that they weren't passionate about, to get the branding and artists, would result in better films, then we would have seen Incredibles 2 and 3 already, instead of patiently waiting for Brad Bird to figure out how to crack all of the ideas he has floating around his head into a good film. We wouldn't be receiving possibly groundbreaking films about dinosaurs and the inner working of a girl's mind, and we definitely wouldn't have gotten Up.

Anyway, all in all, I hope that Planes is a fun film, and don't have any reason to believe otherwise, the stuff that Disney Toon has produced since Lasseter's tenure has been leagues and bounds better than the stuff produced in the late 90's and early 00's. And for what it is, I'll be happy to take my 2 year old to go see it, hope he enjoys it, and simultaneously be much happier to see what looks to be a raucous and fun Pixar Monsters Inc. prequel, than having Planes been from them instead. Oh yeah, and I'm sure Mancina will turn out a really fun score, he does a great job with Disney! Hopefully we'll get a chance to hear it outside of the film.

 
 Posted:   May 19, 2013 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

While Disney technically owns Pixar, it is a strange marriage indeed. Marncina could do a great job on a project such as this.

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2013 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   David (Giacchino-fan)   (Member)

Details from the Amazon product page:

This title will be released on August 6, 2013.

From above the world of 'Cars' comes Disney's Planes, an action-packed 3D animated comedy adventure featuring Dusty (voice of Dane Cook), a plane with dreams of competing as a high-flying air racer. The soundtrack to this fun adventure features the original score composed by Mark Mancina, plus 4 original songs and one bonus track.


http://www.amazon.com/Planes-Soundtrack/dp/B00DE2G1B8/ref=pd_sim_m_29

 
 Posted:   Jun 27, 2013 - 8:13 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Great! Can't wait for this one!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 6:02 AM   
 By:   vinylscrubber   (Member)

Based on the music behind the "Take Flight" clip at ITunes Trailers, I'm definitely looking forward to this one. The score, not necessarily the film.

(Does anybody else think that theme sounds vaguely reminiscent of REMEMBER THE TITANS or something else by Trevor Rabin?--maybe a temp track thing.)

 
 Posted:   Jun 28, 2013 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   Other Tallguy   (Member)

I'm really looking forward to this. I listen to the trailer music a lot. My boy loves it too.

And yes, I'm going to buy the Gee Bee toy if they sell me one.

 
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