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 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 7:51 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

I was going to resurrect an older thread but decided against it. Anyway, I just purchased a copy of the 1998 Varese edition of Midway - VSD 5940 to be exact. I see there is a newer release from 2011 - VCL 1011 1124. Ok, maybe tmi, but I m wondering if there is any significant difference in these releases other than the the particular tracks included. Sound quality? I am certainly not opposed to buying a second version of a score especially one I love.

Thoughts, opinions? Thanks as always.

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

The 1998 is a rerecording while the 2011 is the original film tracks (if memory serves).

Personally, I only have the 1998 release and am pleased with that. I don't think it's that much of a score either, to be honest.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 8:06 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

The 1998 is a rerecording while the 2011 is the original film tracks (if memory serves).

Personally, I only have the 1998 release and am pleased with that. I don't think it's that much of a score either, to be honest.


I appreciate your opinion. I am a fan of military movies and scores so this is why I am partial to it. Not defending, just explaining.

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Absolutely, to each their own. I think the march is very good, though.

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   Rozsaphile   (Member)

Why not resurrect the old thread?

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=83512&forumID=1&archive=0

Old threads often contain nuggets of wisdom. See Jeff Bond's comment in this one. Unimpressed by the earlier album, I find it hard to believe that the OST version could be that much better. But Bond's is a voice that I respect, so just maybe . . .

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

I've only got the later soundtrack version. It's a bit cobbled but I'd rather have it than not. I suspect there was a time something presented other than as a top-notch job would have been sidelined, because the presentation is not exactly perfect. But I actually had to have the FSM and La La Land Tora, Tora, Tora presentations even though they appear to be the same.

If the music means that much to you, grab it.

 
 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   dpsternan   (Member)

The 1998 is a rerecording while the 2011 is the original film tracks (if memory serves).

Personally, I only have the 1998 release and am pleased with that. I don't think it's that much of a score either, to be honest.


Correct! I just bought this last week from Varese (VCL 1011 1124). This is the 2011 version and is the original soundtrack recording from 1975.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   welwynfilmstudios   (Member)

My first introduction to this score was the Midway March and Men of the Yorktown on the Japanese single.

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   AMRA75   (Member)

The original soundtrack is much better than the rerecording. The tempo on the rerecording is very slow... too slow for me.

On youtube, an excerpt of the original soundtrack :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-eNBVRWk40

 
 Posted:   May 18, 2013 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

Why not resurrect the old thread?

http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=83512&forumID=1&archive=0

Old threads often contain nuggets of wisdom. See Jeff Bond's comment in this one. Unimpressed by the earlier album, I find it hard to believe that the OST version could be that much better. But Bond's is a voice that I respect, so just maybe . . .


I agree with you regarding older threads and as you can see I have resurrected them before. I did indeed read through some of the older ones on this and will look again. I guess this time I chose to create one. Thanks for the advice though. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 4, 2013 - 8:19 PM   
 By:   koolman   (Member)

I m wondering if there is any significant difference in these releases other than the the particular tracks included. Sound quality? I am certainly not opposed to buying a second version of a score especially one I love.

Thoughts, opinions? Thanks as always.


Yes. The 2011 version is made from the original 1976 film scoring master tapes conducted by John Williams himself instead of the 1998 version, which is re-conducted by Rick Wentworth and performed by the Royal Scottish Orchestra. I think the 2011 version, with the exception of Track 17, which combines tracks, chops some tracks short and is out-of-sequence compared to how those tracks appear in the film, is definitely the way to go.

It's not so much a matter of sound quality. The 1998 Wentworth re-conducted version uses newer recording technology, but was recorded in a much larger space than the 2011 Williams-conducted Hollywood scoring stage version from 1976, thus the 1998 Wentworth re-conducted version sounds comparatively thin, distant and echoey compared to the 2011 Williams-conducted scoring stage version from 1976, which has a closer acoustical presence despite the age of its tapes and microphones. Sound quality, comparing both versions, is thus a trade-off, like comparing apples to oranges.

It's more a matter of PERFORMANCE. Williams' conducting and the orchestra's playing is way more fast and furious in the 2011 version! I especially enjoy the opening credits Doolittle raid music way better in the 2011 Williams version--it's exciting! Wentworth's re-conducted 1998 version is too soft in level in that huge orchestra space and the conducting and performance is too leisurely, boringly slow.

With regard to Midway not being much of a score (under 40 mins.), that's because the film was meant to be a pseudo-documentary, making you feel you are there in the actual battle. The images of real-life WWII footage blown up from 16mm to 35mm wide-screen Panavision and sound-FX, enhanced by Sensurround .1 bass effects, are the real stars. Williams' music is meant only to appear in strategic points, when underscore is needed to create warmth (as in the tender scene between Haruko and Tom) suspense and drama (as in the scenes with the Japanese commanders) and certain action scenes (like the opening Doolittle raid and the attack on Midway Island itself). I think it succeeds brilliantly!

If you're feeling really ambitious and have the sound editing software, like me, you can always piece together a definitive version of the score, listening to the movie itself for reference on track order, using mostly the Williams-conducted version but, where necessary, inserting the missing bars from the Wentworth-conducted version to fill in the holes and provide appropriate fade-outs at the end of tracks, then re-sequencing the tracks in their correct film order and burning yourself a new CD-R.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2014 - 5:51 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Less than 100 copies remaining at Varese Sarabande.

 
 Posted:   Aug 22, 2014 - 6:53 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

I have and dearly love both versions. And almost invariably can't listen to one without the other; usually Wentworth's first.
I prefer the way Wentworth puts an ending on “Matt’s Crash”, where the OST version of same jumps straight into the “Red Park’s Fighters” portion of the medley.

 
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