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 Posted:   May 22, 2013 - 7:57 PM   
 By:   Joe 1956   (Member)


....That clip sums up why I cannot tolerate "next gen" Trek - just a repetative pile of meandering, touchy-feely, simpering, talky, beige, vanilla, new age, sandal wearing, de-sexed, decaffeinated, DE-KIRKED, baloney.

Star Trek for people who rub crystals while sitting barefoot under rickety home made pyramid structures. Star Trek for people who give pet names to their Apple Macs. Star Trek for people who....

....wh...wh...where are my pills??????

Anyway, the last Trek movie under Abrams was a helluva big improvement on that load of old yogurt.


And I thought I was rough on them! smile

I think what finally popped my balloon was how the character of Riker was ultimately treated. Not that he was ever much of a character, but he ended up literally "God" to the whole known Universe. He saved the derrieres of EVERYbody, every friend, every foe.

And then one day he was treated like the bottom of a shoe (by Ronny Cox) which was duly accompanied by the same old background aural earwax recycled down the road on DS9 and Voyager and Enterprise.

The movies forever lost me at the "save the whales" moment. Nobody could top Mr. Montalban anyway.

Ron Jones uplifted many a sorry episode, and I'm saving up for his box set. (I just got the TOS box almost a month back, a reminder of where Trek later went so wrong).

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2013 - 8:15 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Star Trek at its best is like a Horatio Alger story or a morality play. It's about a greater point than the actual plot or effects, and are usually made about things that are happening "in the now" (like how STIV was made in the midst of the 1980s Earth Day fad).

These new films have that element too... but it's so far dialed back that its indistinguishable. Part of that is because modern audiences (this poster included) are fucking desensitized morons who are battered with slam-jam commercials for Fast And Furious 19 and maudlin superhero / fantasy movies. People are enamored with tone and less with plot or characters. It's enough that the film looks like science fiction and fuck if it *makes sense* or *has an analogy*.

I suppose in a sense, these last two ST films are the equivalent of the friend who says "You over-think everything", (whom I normally reply with "You just have an intelligence problem.")

The current films reflect our current cut-cut-cut culture. And it is no surprise that I've disowned practically everything the mass media produced in the last two years (even film score!) with how things are going. It is what it is, though and ultimately we as a culture will embrace something or not.

For me? I saw Star Trek Into Darkness yesterday and the best thing I watched was Mark Of Zorro afterward.

As with all things, your mileage may vary.

 
 Posted:   May 22, 2013 - 8:23 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


That clip sums up why I cannot tolerate "next gen" Trek - just a repetative pile of meandering, touchy-feely, simpering, talky, beige, vanilla, new age, sandal wearing, de-sexed, decaffeinated, DE-KIRKED, baloney. Anyway, the last Trek movie under Abrams was a helluva big improvement on that load of old yogurt.


I have to admit your description of NG isn't far off. LOL But that doesn't make Nu Trek an improvement. Just bad to the opposite extreme.

 
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