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Jun 23, 2013 - 3:59 PM
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dan the man
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Well I don't know what angle you using the word glorious in when you are dealing with this topic my friend, But I have always tried to be open minded with all the bantering and viewpoints of the many controversial issues in the wacky world we live in.Rap like many things came from a sought of the hardships of daily life for people. So did the blues, jazz, hard rock etc etc etc. People watching certain questionable entertainment like SCARFACE, THE SOPRANOS, TAXI DRIVER, LOLITA and loads more. Everything and every stage in our lives can be handle with the love, goodness, decency and compassion of our wills or sadly can be dealt with in a cold ruthless sinful evil manner.. RAP MUSIC, HIP HOP, has been dealt with like all these other things in good and bad ways.I like to try not to be a hypocrite on issues and it makes me feel good to see others as well try to do the same. It takes patience wisdom and sincerity to achieve this.We know how critics of the past and present can foolishly lash out at things that should not have been totally lashed out at, HORROR GENRE, HAMMER, ROCK AND ROLL, COLOR TV, PAY TV, CABLE, THE INTERNET,HANS ZIMMER, thousands of other things in our life right down to the topical Paula Deen fiasco, RAP is just one of many many things that fall into that humongous category of life's issues. life issues where there are not one answer. It would be better if we spent more time dealing with issues that indeed does pretty much has one answer.
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It's all a matter of personal tastes and opinions, that's all. Thank God, we are all different.
I've been a visual artist all my life. There are artists whose work I admire and look up to, and then there are "artists" who take a dump on canvas and call it an important statement.
I can see for myself that the Emperor has no clothes.
I don't listen to rap music because I haven't found any of it that I like. That's all. Much of it that I have heard required little or no talent whatsoever to produce. On the other side of that coin, I've heard other selections that did indeed display tremendous talent and creativity. But that didn't cause me to enjoy it any more than I did before.
We are blessed with infinite choices in the world of art.
We can study Michelangelo and Renoir. We can also behold the black velvet painting of Elvis or John Wayne gracing a neighbor's living room wall.
I may offend some of you by saying this.
There IS good art, and there IS bad art.
The truth is that there is probably only 2% of the population, if that, who are educated enough to know the difference.
I think it is worth celebrating that among those infinite choices there is something out there for everybody to enjoy.
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Non-Kosmic Kuestion About Da Olde Whyte Guy Department:
Mr. Kramer's authentic accomplishments - if anyone actually dared to delve and investigate - will resonate farrrrrr longer than the usual one-sentence pot-shots.
NO film (or anything else) at 10, 11 or 12.
How d'ya like them apples? 
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And 'glorious', Meester Dee, 'cause Amurrican culture in particular has an odious incredibly lazy habit of extolling virtually everything as something only Time and Posterity validates where Value is concerned.
Nobody's painting a tarring brush with absolutism where the subject under scope is concerned, but - ala Hollywood's habit of usually crowning every popular comedian as a  'Genius' or every month (nay, hell, every damn week) brings forth another instant Classic - not everything that's popular automatically is bequeathed with Relevance.
Is all Rap excreable?
Of course not, any more than virtually whatever else you wanna include.
As for that usual simplistic-in-the-extremis shibboleth about 'youth culture' - try just an infusion of experienced exposed Culture and you might be closer.
Then again, Theodore Sturgeon's 90% Law ain't entirely irrelevant, either.
But when everybody can go into a makeshift studio, scribble some general lines that anyone can read 'deeeppppp" substance into and suddenly it's an automatic Art Form ... puh-leeze.
Those that can find merit within it, hay, knock yerselves out and enjoy.
But barely literate (non) 'lyrics' and a monotonous beat scarcely qualifies as anything even remotely resembling Music.
When they produce a body of work instantly memorable and with songs that include stories, morals or even just artful entertainment ala, for colorful instance, Smokey Robinson or Holland-Dozier-Holland's masterful musical pieces for Motown - and it stands the test of nearly a half-century - THEN let's see where it stands.
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"When they produce a body of work instantly memorable and with songs that include stories, morals or even just artful entertainment ala, for colorful instance, Smokey Robinson or Holland-Dozier-Holland's masterful musical pieces for Motown - and it stands the test of nearly a half-century - THEN let's see where it stands."
Friend neo...you HAD ME at "Smokey"!
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Advancing your thesis a tiny bit, Chris, brings up these Black on Black paintings by that antiquated Old Whyte Russian Guy, Kasimir Malevich.
Is this art, Art or ART?
Dan might opine, "Who's to say?"
In which we'd answer: YOU are.
You'll get from it what you bring To it - if there's anything to be brought From it.
But there are also instances where, paraphrasing Ms. Stein's celebrated quote "There's no There there."
And so ... where does one go along the way to, before or after "Black on Black" -
'White on White'!?!
Well, actually: yes.
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"And so ... where does one go along the way to or after "Black on Black" -
'White on White'!?!
Well, actually: yes."
Again, neo...these questions are ultimately so very personal to each of us. We all formulate our views based upon so many widely varied experiences and life lessons.
MY artistic treasure may be your garbage. And vice versa.
I prefer to simply hold a personal respect for every human being, regardless of what I may think or feel about their opposing opinions.
Frankly speaking, I could have produced "Black on Black" during my coffee break, after chatting with my co-workers about their sociological views. The bare simplicity of it is so evident to me. That does not make it "BAD" in my view. It just makes it "DIFFERENT".
As I said earlier, Thank God, we are ALL different!
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"don't yell fire in a crowded movie house."
dan, my man...I hope that you have come to know me better than that by now.
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"That pestiferous form of urban blight." 
