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Jimmy Rowles is a good one.
Artie Kane would've been my second guess bc that's about the time he started playing with Mancini.
[edit]I betcha that Roy Phillipe knows.
Thank you for the vote of confidence.
It is Jimmy Rowles. I think that by 1962 John Williams career as a studio pianist was over. Artie Kane didn't start working with Mancini until the 70's mostly on the organ and Fender Rhodes.
As an organist Mancini produced an Artie Kane trio album for RCA. His sidekicks were no other than Ray Brown and Shelly Manne.
Some of Rowles best work with Mancini is on "The Party" (IMHO). He just lets Rowles loose on a number of tracks. Also check him out on the "Mancini' 67" album.
Kane's wife JoAnn runs a large music copying and librarian service. She is credited on many films.
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Jimmy Rowles is a good one.
Artie Kane would've been my second guess bc that's about the time he started playing with Mancini.
[edit]I betcha that Roy Phillipe knows.
Thank you for the vote of confidence.
It is Jimmy Rowles. I think that by 1962 John Williams career as a studio pianist was over. Artie Kane didn't start working with Mancini until the 70's mostly on the organ and Fender Rhodes.
As an organist Mancini produced an Artie Kane trio album for RCA. His sidekicks were no other than Ray Brown and Shelly Manne.
Some of Rowles best work with Mancini is on "The Party" (IMHO). He just lets Rowles loose on a number of tracks. Also check him out on the "Mancini' 67" album.
Kane's wife JoAnn runs a large music copying and librarian service. She is credited on many films.
Ooh. I didn't know that JoAnn Kane was married to Artie Kane. Thanks for that info. I do also
suspect that Jimmy Rowles was the pianist, but I am just guessing.
Isn't "The Party" the score where you hear the chorus singing a scat vocal with the lines:
"Jimmy Rowles, Jimmy Rowles, Jimmy Rowles"? Kind of one of Mancini's little jokes? Who
better to put up with him than Blake Edwards I wonder?
The "Jimmy Rowles.." track is titled "Party Poop".
I met JoAnn Kane years ago. I think she got her start working with Marvin Hamlisch>
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David Meeker's Jazz on the Screen - a Jazz and Blues Filmography credits Jimmy Rowles as the pianist.
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Thanks for that, Simon. I have the old printed editions of the Meeker book, but I've just downloaded the updated one and could be here stuck to the screen for the next year or two just reading those lists of names!
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Jul 8, 2013 - 6:42 AM
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OnyaBirri
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Thanks for the link Simon.
I love the voicing on the final chord. Bottom to top: Left hand, Eb-Bb-G; Right hand, F-D-A.
Yeah, me too. As a pianist, I try to use that voicing as much as I can. I call it my 'Mancini' chord.
I believe Mancini liked to do an orchestral version often, usually with horns and trombones. The bottom chord is the key of the piece, in this case Eb major. Then add an inverted minor chord above it, based on the major seventh of Eb (in this case D minor). Works great on lots of ballads.
Yes, on the ballads, he almost always ended on a major 7th with a sharp 11th.
When I first got the "Experiment in Terror" album, I worked out that entire tune note for note, and still have it memorized all these decades later. That coda leading up to the final Eb major 7th, with the E major 7th just prior, is so gorgeous.
What's funny is that, finding out it's apparently Jimmy Rowles, it sounds so much like Mancini's playing, and I'd always assumed as much. I wonder if Mancini wrote the whole thing out, or if it was a lead sheet with chord symbols. I'm assuming the former.
Also, this tune is a great illustration of how disappointed you can feel when you know the album first, and then find out how the music is used in the film. I thought this was such a haunting piece, and that it must have been used in a key scene. In reality, it is in the background at a restaurant, and if I recall correctly, you hear only about 15 or 20 seconds of it.
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Jul 8, 2013 - 7:10 AM
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Bill Finn
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The piece (White On White) is written out, at least in my Mancini piano book, and appears to be very close to what is played. But I don't know if it was written out for the picture, or just later. My guess is that it was written out (mostly) for the picture, because a professional like Mancini would not want to take chances, even with a great pianist like Jimmy Rowles, and of course timing is also of paramount importance in scoring.
But if you can find a Mancini piano book that still includes "White On White" you will likely see it
written down in much the same way that it appears, at least on the recording.
Yeah, the chord is really, more as you described it - I just find it easier to think about it another
way when I'm playing it. And there are also times, when Mancini didn't use the flatted third (on top of the major seven, but went with a major third. Like playing an Eb in the left hand, and a
D major chord in the right. That works well also. The flatted third on the final chord in "White On White" gives it kind of an extra tang.
I kind of doubt that Mancini would have considered playing it himself, at least in 1962. He did do an amazing job a few years later, of playing piano on some of his albums. Since it was not his main instrument, so even more credit is due for his learning the piano well enough to record it.
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Very nice info, gents.
Roy, is there is resource available with all of the orchestra members for each Mancini recording? As a general statement, it seems like the world could use an updated Mancini web site.
FSM did a few Mancini STs, and the Penelope/Bachelor in Paradise one shows Artie Kane and Jimmy Rowles. Here's the link with the musician credits:
http://www.filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/318/Penelope-Bachelor-in-Paradise/
I'm not near my CDs today, so I can't check if Kane plays on the Williams or Mancini STs. Like it would matter anyway. :-D
The Musicians Union in New York has contracts going back decades.
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