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 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 4:45 AM   
 By:   jb1234   (Member)

Where the hell are the woodwinds? Their absence makes this score sound like the orchestra is missing something huge.

That's very common in contemporary film scores these days, especially from RC composers.

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Where the hell are the woodwinds? Their absence makes this score sound like the orchestra is missing something huge.

That's very common in contemporary film scores these days, especially from RC composers.


Except they shouldn't claim to be writing an orchestral score if they don't have any woodwinds. It is no longer an orchestra then.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

There are many composers and film makers, and well, lots of goods and services that are total crap, that are enormously successful. Up post someone with the initials FT pretty much angled that film makers keep hiring him and Tyler is very popular. Yeah, that is true. But Michael Bay keeps getting film projects too, and I would not think too many people would think he is a great director, or really even a very good one. McDonald's sells lots of hamburgers. The equation of popular, or financially successful with GOOD is a western world concept that is really destructive and fallacious.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   JamesSouthall   (Member)

My review of the score album, if anyone's interested:
http://www.movie-wave.net/guardians-of-the-galaxy/

 
 Posted:   Jul 28, 2014 - 7:08 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

My review of the score album, if anyone's interested:
http://www.movie-wave.net/guardians-of-the-galaxy/


Totally nailed it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 30, 2014 - 5:44 PM   
 By:   KeoNato   (Member)

Personal thoughts -- I'm kind of surprised with this. Bates gets a lot of flack for 300 and I wasn't really impressed with his work on Watchmen, but this is a pleasant change from him. It's definitely a high-calibur MV sound (or, Brian Tyler without the Goldsmith) but there's enough personality and flourishes there and some solid melodic writing to keep me listening.

The 80's synth work on tracks like "Groot Spores" work surprisingly well. I almost wish there was more of this in there. Could have been something entirely different and remarkable.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 9:53 AM   
 By:   MattyT   (Member)

Personal thoughts -- I'm kind of surprised with this. Bates gets a lot of flack for 300 and I wasn't really impressed with his work on Watchmen, but this is a pleasant change from him. It's definitely a high-calibur MV sound (or, Brian Tyler without the Goldsmith) but there's enough personality and flourishes there and some solid melodic writing to keep me listening.

The 80's synth work on tracks like "Groot Spores" work surprisingly well. I almost wish there was more of this in there. Could have been something entirely different and remarkable.


I agree. This one took my surprise and I actually ordered the disc from Amazon. This is the first Bates score that I've been able to get into. I also think if he incorporated more of the 80's synth sound into the score it would be have been great and made it much more unique and fun. At least it have some themes and is not just a series of drones and "horn of doom" sounds.

 
 Posted:   Jul 31, 2014 - 4:28 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

I champion Bates from time to time. I adore his energetic and homage-laden score to Doomsday. I thought his Watchmen score elevated most of the movie (along with the other soundtrack choices). And even something as plagiarized and corrupted as 300 I still enjoy on a primal level.

But this reeks of him having to play by the new-fangled "Brian Tyler formula" as per Marvel's sketchbook of how they want this MCU looking and sounding. The film I am seeing tonight, and the compilation soundtrack is worth every penny (and will mostly likely stand out the most within the film). I know that a lot of FSM users found Iron Man Three and Thor: The Dark World to be maybe just what you wanted from this expanded franchise, but I found them limp, uninspired, and loud. And I like loud. KeoNato is entirely right, "Groot Spores" stands out so well on this album, that I too feel like whatever brought that to Bates should've been expanded throughout the rest. I won't stifle his effort, but I only wish Marvel would let the creativity of their composers shine through.

And now you will all call me a mad psychopath, because The Winter Soldier stands as my absolute favorite score in this franchise (with Silvestri's initial Captain America score nudging oh-so-close behind).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 1, 2014 - 11:00 AM   
 By:   BROMHEAD1   (Member)

I watched the movie today and thought it was brilliant.The most enjoyable film i have seen in a very long time.The score worked in the movie (for me anyway).Unlike most movies the songs actually do work really well and do enhance the experience.

 
 Posted:   Aug 2, 2014 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

OK, so I'm gonna flip-flop my position on this after having seen the movie two times over the past 48 hours. The score works so damn well in the movie, and the songs work like gangbusters. I would cite this film as an example of masterful use of diegetic music in cinema, any day.

As for the score, Mr. Bates gets it right. It zooms along with the action, bombastically introduces the imperious and zealous villains, connects the emotional dots, and brings along an exciting new heroic theme for its band of heroes. The theme got lost on me during my initial listen of the score album, outside of the film, but since I have returned to a few choice tracks like "The Final Battle Begins," "The Kyln Escape," and "Black Tears" (a great moment of image and scoring within the film) and have greatly enjoyed the music as Bates has written it. It may not feature woodwinds per the usual FSM-user complaint, but neither does a rock & roll band so who gives a shit?!

Edited for an addition: join me over on the other side of the discussion board so that you can indulge in my excited reaction to the film... http://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=104819&forumID=7&archive=0&pageID=1&r=690#bottom

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2014 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Some random thoughts from seeing the film;

I didn't expect it to be so comedy/spoofy/pi$$-take (although with a talking tree and racoon, maybe I should have).
I feel like I'm watching the same film over and over again with these Marvel doo-dahs.
Lots of it felt like a comedy Star Trek film to me.
Some of the score music was really nice, obviously using the modern template but showing some inspired moments (loved the choir, piano and synthy moments). Well done (Brian) Tyler Bates wink
The songs were both an inspired selling point with relevance to the plot/story AND a cynical attempt to appeal through cross-over channels (smartly played there, Marvel/Disney).
No one will ever really die in these films. I know that now.
It was better than I expected (I thought I would hate it from the clips/trailers) but, like the other Marvel films, I have no desire to ever watch it/them again.
Having said that, I prefer the Marvel franchise over the gloomy DC/Nolan stuff and the boooooring Lord Of The Rings films.
2 hours of mindless fun with some chuckles?...yes, certainly.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 5, 2014 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Jostein_H   (Member)

I like this score. The theme is the highlight for sure.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2014 - 12:42 AM   
 By:   Jon Broxton   (Member)

My review of GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY, for anyone interested:

http://moviemusicuk.us/2014/08/05/guardians-of-the-galaxy-tyler-bates/

Jon

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2014 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Nuts_score I figured as much. It seems that a lot of scores coming out now are just OK when listening to them outside the film but become more interesting after watching the film a number of times and seeing how material is used. The thing is I am rarely if ever a person to watch a film multiple times, enough to get an attachment to the music that primarily comes from attachment to the film. So I prefer scores that grab me emotionally outside the film. I'll certainly revisit this music again once I have seen the film. I experienced something similar when I wrote off Hans Zimmer's score for RUSH and then found it was delightfully well-used in the film. I still don't like it outside the film to listen to but I do respect the work a bit more now.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2014 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Chris Avis   (Member)

I can't stand a lot of modern scores as standalone listening experiences.... they're too loud and bombastic, with every cue seemingly scored as if it was for the film's finale. The Marvel Films are particularly bad in this regard. I listened to Guardians of The Galaxy on youtube prior to seeing the film and shut it off after only about 1/3rd of the score.

Having said all that, the score did seem to work fairly well in the film... I came away able to easily remember the Guardians theme and it did seem to propel the action forward quite well. I still don't like it as an album, but it does support the film reasonably well. Many of the film's major emotional beats are, however, supplied by the use of classic rock songs which do work quite well.

Chris.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2014 - 1:20 AM   
 By:   johnbijl   (Member)

As for the score, Mr. Bates gets it right. It zooms along with the action, bombastically introduces the imperious and zealous villains, connects the emotional dots, and brings along an exciting new heroic theme for its band of heroes. The theme got lost on me during my initial listen of the score album, outside of the film, but since I have returned to a few choice tracks like "The Final Battle Begins," "The Kyln Escape," and "Black Tears" (a great moment of image and scoring within the film) and have greatly enjoyed the music as Bates has written it. It may not feature woodwinds per the usual FSM-user complaint, but neither does a rock & roll band so who gives a shit?!


Say this tonight (the film premieres today in the Netherlands -- I went to a 0:05 screening) and enjoyed the hell out of it. What a fun swirl of escapism and nerdgasm it is (and being born in 1972, I felt privileged to get the inside jokes). Those less than a few of storytelling flaws are easily forgiven.

As for the score: good thing I read threads before I post. Nuts_score worded the sentiments of my thoughts.

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2014 - 1:33 AM   
 By:   soundtraxrdl   (Member)

FYI: My interview with Tyler Bates on scoring GUARDIANS:

http://www.buysoundtrax.com/larsons_soundtrax_8_7_14.html

-rdl

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2014 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   The REAL BJBien   (Member)

Am I the only one who thought the songs DON'T work in the film?

I mean really?

No one else rolled their eyes at Quill's FOOTLOOSE speech with Gamorah which takes a scene that is already way too CUTE and then SLAMS YOU IN THE FACE with a song about FALLING IN LOVE while that is playing out right in front of our faces.... terrible!

I haven't hated a song use that bad since DRIVE where they used REAL HERO during the scene where our hero is acting like a human being which in case we miss, the song reminds us.

I thought this movie was BEYOND average. Not sure why everyone thinks its AMAZING but to each their own.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2014 - 10:03 AM   
 By:   fargo_viper   (Member)

Am I the only one who thought the songs DON'T work in the film?

I mean really?

No one else rolled their eyes at Quill's FOOTLOOSE speech with Gamorah which takes a scene that is already way too CUTE and then SLAMS YOU IN THE FACE with a song about FALLING IN LOVE while that is playing out right in front of our faces.... terrible!

I haven't hated a song use that bad since DRIVE where they used REAL HERO during the scene where our hero is acting like a human being which in case we miss, the song reminds us.

I thought this movie was BEYOND average. Not sure why everyone thinks its AMAZING but to each their own.


Are you sure you're EMPHASIZING enough words?

 
 Posted:   Aug 14, 2014 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

Am I the only one who thought the songs DON'T work in the film?

I mean really?

No one else rolled their eyes at Quill's FOOTLOOSE speech with Gamorah which takes a scene that is already way too CUTE and then SLAMS YOU IN THE FACE with a song about FALLING IN LOVE while that is playing out right in front of our faces.... terrible!

I haven't hated a song use that bad since DRIVE where they used REAL HERO during the scene where our hero is acting like a human being which in case we miss, the song reminds us.

I thought this movie was BEYOND average. Not sure why everyone thinks its AMAZING but to each their own.


That's what I feared but of course when I voice that I am told to watch the film before I complain so I'll see what I think once I see it.

 
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