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Sep 14, 2013 - 6:16 PM
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Francis
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There should be nothing provocative about people questioning any event, wether it is 9/11 or any other historic event or subject from a scientific viewpoint. Why this is still considered taboo, over a decade after the facts, baffles me. If the official story is the truth, than you have nothing to worry about. If it isn't and there is that chance, I can't begin to fathom the impact it would have.
I do know that because of 9/11, my mails and my internet/cell phone traffic is now being monitored by not my own country, but by the USA. I also know that my government and the european parliament my country is part of, is being monitored by the USA.
Would I want Belgium to start spying on American internet traffic and email, texts, phone calls, you name it? No. But maybe if a terrorist attack of 9/11 proportions happened over here, they might get me as crazy to accept that as being the norm.
Luckily for us, we haven't had to face that yet.
I do applaud those architects and engineers for challenging 'the norm'. Not an easy thing to do.
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Sep 14, 2013 - 9:41 PM
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Warlok
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The people who were *there* saw pools of molten steel "flowing like a foundry". They heard a staccatto of explosions.
NIST did not find any evidence of explosives. Because they - by admission - didn`t test for them.
There has never been a proper, serious study of these events, or the outstanding anomalies that testify to conspiracy (the controlled demolition of building 7 by its owner, who admitted to doing so on television, an act which requires many weeks of explosives planning (think about it...), a journalist for the BBC who reports on the fall of building 7 20 minutes BEFORE it fell, with said building clearly visible behind her out the window, and traces of military grade thermite found in the dust of the towers).
I made the mistake so long ago of having given Bush & Cheney the benefit of the doubt. Then we had Iraq, and since we`ve had some serious study of facts. I am compelled to believe something other than the official version of events. To my mind, this is an open murder investigation. Someone somewhere decided to sacrifice American citizens for an agenda.
Also ponder the modern context - so much push to work with and support Al Qaeda fighters (!) in Libya, Somalia, and now Syria. Funny how that is.
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To my mind, this is an open murder investigation. Someone somewhere decided to sacrifice American citizens for an agenda.
I never needed a conspiracy theory to convince me of that. Then they decided to sacrifice 100,000 Iraqi civilians. To me the mystery is why folks can't believe their own eyes, ears and brains when watching the news. "Someone somewhere"? They were elected. The Supreme Court said so.
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Sep 15, 2013 - 6:22 AM
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Mike_J
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I've done a lot of study on 9/11, both at the time of the tragedy and recently following my own trip to the site of the former Twin Towers and from everything I've researched I personally think all the rumours of some sort of "false flag" operation conducted by the US Government hold about as much water as those about the supposedly faked moon landings.
The owners of WTC7 Silverstein Properties did NOT admit to a controlled explosion. This is a spin put on it by conspiracy theorists who also back up other arguments with misinformation and half truths.
Yes, WTC7 wasnt hit by an aircraft. However, it was (a) by some margin one of the tallest buildings within close proximity to the Twin Towers, (b) sustained significant structural damage to the lower part of the building from the collapse of WTC1 and (c) had raging fires within the building which probably resulted in the infrastructure melting and the building collapsing. The latter is testified to by countless number of NYFD officers and contradicts the conspiracy theorist's arguments that the fires inside were small.
The conpiracy theory puts much store Larry Silverstein's supposed admission that they decided to "pull" the building, with their interpretation of the word "pull" being used in the same context as the demolition industry use it, ie to collapse a building. But This wasn't in an interview, it was taken from a video of Silverstein talking to a fire chief, neither of whom being demolition experts so how would they both know what this technical term meant? The likelihood is that Silverstein was suggesting that the fireman inside the building should be pulled out - something the conspiracy theorists deny because they claim there were no firemen in the building. This simply is not true. So for this theory to hold water Silverstein, the fire chief and the battalion NYPD crew present at WTC7 would have to be in on the lie too? What rubbish.
And anyway when demolition experts use the term "pull" what they are talking about is literally pulling a building away from another one using cranes and cables - whereas the conspiracy theorists who are making such a big play of this expression actually argue that it was a controlled explosion which is NOT a "pull".
Yes, a lot of people have signed a petition and yes they "number in the thousands" (2000 to be exact). I'm willing to bet that the number of people who claim to have been abducted and/or anally probed by aliens number in the thousands too.
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Sep 15, 2013 - 6:55 AM
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Francis
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I've done a lot of study on 9/11, both at the time of the tragedy and recently following my own trip to the site of the former Twin Towers and from everything I've researched I personally think all the rumours of some sort of "false flag" operation conducted by the US Government hold about as much water as those about the supposedly faked moon landings.
I've also read about it and visited the site in 2002, but I don't claim myself to be an expert. I also don't believe 9/11 was a "false flag" operation conducted by the US government, but given how that same government exploited the "9/11" tragedy in its aftermath (not to mention lied about weapons of mass destruction), I do have questions about the so called intel they had prior to the attacks and their reluctance to do anything about it. In all honesty I think they screwed up with the intel, the attack happened, and for Bush & friends it was the ticket they needed to further their agenda in the middle east. That administration could do nothing wrong and the so called fourth branch of government, the media, gave them the much needed free pass for what would become the Iraq debacle.
Yes, a lot of people have signed a petition and yes they "number in the thousands" (2000 to be exact). I'm willing to bet that the number of people who claim to have been abducted and/or anally probed by aliens number in the thousands too.
Somehow I doubt those anally probed people are scholars or have any credibility lol. Those 2000 engineers and architects are simply examining the data and drawing the conclusion that the 9/11 report and by default the official story was incorrect.
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Sep 15, 2013 - 7:48 AM
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LeHah
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Kierkegaard teaches us that people only interact with reality when at their lowest point, when they're most vulnerable. The day you lose your job, run over the neighbors dog, find out your wife is cheating on you, your kid failed out of college and your football team is losing its division is the day that you despair. All the comforts you've accumulated in your life to create a feeling of safety, security and routine are in fact bullshit. Life is arbitrary. There is no such thing as destiny or design or any of those things. Nature is chaos and for lack of a more apt term, you "play the hand you're dealt" every time you wake up.
Conspiracy theorists, truthers and all that rabble are unable to accept that concept. *Everything* is interconnected, everything has meaning, everything has some kind of grand design or is being logically manipulated by an unseen or shadowy force. And God help you if you disagree with them - then you're just part of the Illuminati's Programming, MAN!
The fact of the matter is its been over a decade and aside from that batshit screenwriter who cowrote Star Trek Into Darkness, the world has moved on. The public as a whole has accepted that the event happened, that its questionable in some of its logistics but by and large the tragedy is that lives were lost and NOT that people in the American government were never brought to justice.
However, truthers and that ilk are attempting to justify the event by cushioning themselves with the event. That part up top where I mentioned your wife and kid and football team? That's how most people "collect things" to deal with the hostility of the natural world; hell, this board is about collecting and enjoying music which is just another way to do just that. But some people need to find design and method and patterns in something that have been agreed dont exist and the sweeping majority (let's use Sturgeon's Law right here) also believe things like the moon landing was fake.
And what's hilarious about conspiracy theorists is this: they don't investigate anything. Instead, they cite news sources and Internet posts and piece together their opinion based on the tone of the output (that is to say, if someone is a Truther and is reading a website that's about how METAL SHOULDN'T BEND AT THE HEAT INDEX OF A PLANE FIRE OMG they're more willing to accept it because its already slanted toward their worldview and thus absorb it as fact instead of truth which are not the same thing) and then when they can't substantiate something, they jump to the conclusion that the unexplained MUST be a logical fallacy and thus the conspiracy is IN THERE.
Even Fox Mulder would roll his eyes at that line of logic. After all, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
And if you want any evidence to any concept of how stick, stone stupid the whole Truther investigation crap is (or what I cited above as "subjective reality") look no further than the awful Loose Change documentary and how much of it was retracted and re-edited later and then disproven completely on television by Popular Mechanics.
People will not let this shit go. Stop perpetuating the dead, for fuck's sake.
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Conspiracy theorists, truthers and all that rabble are unable to accept that concept. *Everything* is interconnected, everything has meaning, everything has some kind of grand design or is being logically manipulated by an unseen or shadowy force. And God help you if you disagree with them - then you're just part of the Illuminati's Programming, MAN!
That's certainly true. It was true for the Warren Report on the assassination of JFK (which I studied in some detail as part of a thesis on Stone's film), and it is certainly true regarding the events on 9/11. The conspiracy theories (that the twin towers were destroyed by bombs, that the plane that hit the Pentagon could not have caused the damage it did) are preposterous and childish. ANd they've all been refuted already anyway, but of course, that won't change a thing in the mind of a person that's incurably paranoid.
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. These folks see what they want to see, and that's all. 
