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 Posted:   Sep 24, 2013 - 3:21 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

Author Blair Johnston wrote the following about Nikolai Myaskovsky within the ALL MUSIC GUIDE TO CLASSICAL MUSIC:



"During Myaskovsky's lifetime he was widely considered the finest Soviet symphonist, and in spite of the fact that his fame dwindled rapidly after his death, there are some today who still consider him to be a rung or two above Soviet symphonist poster-boy Dmitri Shostakovich."

What does Mr. TG think about this? smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2013 - 4:52 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Author Blair Johnston wrote the following about Nikolai Myaskovsky within the ALL MUSIC GUIDE TO CLASSICAL MUSIC:



"During Myaskovsky's lifetime he was widely considered the finest Soviet symphonist, and in spite of the fact that his fame dwindled rapidly after his death, there are some today who still consider him to be a rung or two above Soviet symphonist poster-boy Dmitri Shostakovich."

What does Mr. TG think about this? smile



I'll have to trawl Youtube for a bit before giving any comment - not even sure I've knowingly heard any Myaskovsky. The description of DDS as a Soviet poster-boy is a bit disingenuous, however, given that many of the posters advertising his concerts at various stages of his life might well have used the words "Concert by Enemy of the People Shostakovich"!

It needs to be kept in mind that there are some today who consider Justin Bieber to be a rung or two above Beethoven. Even if I hate Myaskovsky's music it'd be fruitless trying to pursuade others to change their views. With 27 symphonies it might take some time to judge...

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2013 - 5:33 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

Without being invited, I am going to enter into this discussion. I have heard most of Myaskovsky's symphonies and many of his shorter works. While he has written some very good music, I don't feel any of it rises to greatness as some of Shostakovich's music does. In my opinion, the Shostakovich 4th Symphony is one of the great symphonies of the 20th Century. Perhaps the greatest. As a matter of fact, I have not often gone back to Myaskovsky's work after hearing it initially.
But, as I have said, this is all just my opinion. If you have not heard the Shostakovich 4th, I would urge you to do so.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2013 - 7:40 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

there are some today who still consider him to be a rung or two above Soviet symphonist poster-boy Dmitri Shostakovich.


I wonder who these "some" are? Snobby types with broom-sticks shoved up their jacksies no doubt.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2013 - 12:05 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I wonder who these "some" are? Snobby types with broom-sticks shoved up their jacksies no doubt.


Depending on how deep up there they get it, it's only uncomfortable for the first week or so.
After that it's all coffee and chocolate fingers.
(So I'm told. big grin)
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"During Myaskovsky's lifetime he was widely considered the finest Soviet symphonist, and in spite of the fact that his fame dwindled rapidly after his death, there are some today who still consider him to be a rung or two above Soviet symphonist poster-boy Dmitri Shostakovich."

It's statements like these that separate real writers from second-stringers. Imaginary controversy designed to inflame. And as Timmer implied, don't real writers have to include references for such "opinions"?

(Sorry Tone & TG. I know I wasn't invited either. Just thinking out loud with my keyboard.)

 
 Posted:   Sep 25, 2013 - 4:05 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

It's OK to chime in mgh & Octoberman!

I only addressed Tall Guy because he's FSM's resident Shostakovich fan (and I didn't know who else here are also DS fans).

Russian composers are not well-represented in my collection, to be honest.

I did get (around 1994/'95) quite a number of Myaskovsky CDs on the Marco Polo label, and I still have them, but Myaskovsky is not a priority with me for sure.

I'm not a Shostakovich fan, either, but I very much like the music of Nikolai Roslavets personally.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 4:17 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)


I only addressed Tall Guy because he's FSM's resident Shostakovich fan (and I didn't know who else here are also DS fans).


I'm merely the noisiest - and probably tallest - but there are people hereabouts who I dare say put me to shame in their knowledge and analytical capability when it comes to Mr Shostakovich.

Been too busy and distracted of late to check out the Myaskovsky, but I'll get to it.

TG

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 4:31 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

dp

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 4:31 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

It's OK to chime in mgh & Octoberman!

...and not Moi? razz

I would call myself a massive Shostakovitch fan but just not in TG's league, I am more to Vaughan Williams what TG is to Shostakovitch.

I've heard a couple of Myaskovsky's symphonies but so long ago that I no longer remember which ones or even what they sounded like or if I enjoyed them? The fact that I didn't press forward with him indicates that I wasn't overly impressed.

As for Roslevets I've not even heard of him let alone his music, if you'd like to recommend something of his Tone, I'd love to give it a listen.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Myaskovsky & Roslevets.

You've all given me two more artists that I'd never heard of, that I can now start to explore and enjoy.
One of the nice things about this place...
smile

EDIT: Can anyone give me a hint on where to start?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   Alfachrger   (Member)

Myaskovsky & Roslevets.

You've all given me two more artists that I'd never heard of, that I can now start to explore and enjoy.
One of the nice things about this place...
smile

EDIT: Can anyone give me a hint on where to start?


Try the Myaskovsky 6th Symphony, considered his masterpiece. A quote from Wikipedia, "It has been described as 'probably the most significant Russian symphony between Tchaikovsky's Pathétique and the Fourth Symphony of Shostakovich".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QxQhCjGmSs

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 12:27 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Try the Myaskovsky 6th Symphony, considered his masterpiece.


Thanks, Alfa.
I'll be dropping in at my favorite used-CD place tomorrow. I'll see what he can get for me.

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

It's OK to chime in mgh & Octoberman!

...and not Moi? razz



OK. Since Timmer likes music by Arthur Bliss, he can chime in too. smile

 
 Posted:   Sep 26, 2013 - 2:50 PM   
 By:   ToneRow   (Member)

As for Roslevets I've not even heard of him let alone his music, if you'd like to recommend something of his Tone, I'd love to give it a listen.

Certainly.

This piece from 1910 by Nikolai Roslavets is amazing, IMO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XLhn00X12o&feature=player_detailpage

It's entitled "In The Hours Of The New Moon" & it's very Skryabinesque.
So far, there's 2 recordings of this work that I'm aware of: one on Wergo and the one above from Hyperion.

Recommended by me to those who love Karol Szymanowski's hedonistic/Dionysian middle-period (1914-1917). smile

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2015 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

I'm merely the noisiest - and probably tallest - but there are people hereabouts who I dare say put me to shame in their knowledge and analytical capability when it comes to Mr Shostakovich.

Been too busy and distracted of late to check out the Myaskovsky, but I'll get to it.

TG


Since Tall Guy never updated this thread on any of his thoughts on Myaskovsky's music, here's some more Shostakovich bashing over @ TalkClassical to rouse TG's ire:

http://www.talkclassical.com/36419-composers-not-joke-about.html


PetrB:
"I voted Bruckner, Shostakovich and Glass, feeling some sympathy for them since their music is already a joke, so doesn't need more abuse than the poor composers built in to the music in the first place... to make jokes about these composers is like mocking the afflicted -- it is just beyond the pale."

SimonNZ:
"There's no need to joke about Shostakovich, because there's already so much humour in his music:

Look: here's some peasants being bayonetted by cossacks. Bwahahaha!

Run peasants!! Bwaaaaahahahaha!"

PetrB:
"Love the passage which illustrates the blood letting through the gutters on the sides of the bayonets while they're still in the Cossacks. Michael Torke would have called that "Bright Red Music."

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2015 - 3:43 AM   
 By:   Timmer   (Member)

'database error'

I couldn't access your link Zardoz, a shame really as those few comments you listed show exceptionally insightful and intelligent opinions, these guys are deep.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2015 - 4:19 AM   
 By:   CinemaScope   (Member)

I listened to some Myaskovsky a few years back, & found it very pleasant, but never went back to it. It really doesn't matter who's best, the important thing is, what do you like, what does it for you. I'm very fond of the works of some very minor composers, & a lot of masterpieces do nothing for me. It's like what Kramer said in an episode of Seinfeld - you have to listen to the little guy in your head, the little guy knows.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2015 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

I'm merely the noisiest - and probably tallest - but there are people hereabouts who I dare say put me to shame in their knowledge and analytical capability when it comes to Mr Shostakovich.

Been too busy and distracted of late to check out the Myaskovsky, but I'll get to it.

TG


Since Tall Guy never updated this thread on any of his thoughts on Myaskovsky's music, here's some more Shostakovich bashing over @ TalkClassical to rouse TG's ire:

http://www.talkclassical.com/36419-composers-not-joke-about.html



I said I'll get to it!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2015 - 5:05 AM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

You know, I enjoyed reading their comments and may permanently defect over there. For example, the person who claimed to have named his parrot after James Horner.

Actually, I don't think I'll bother. "Composers not to joke about" - what kind of thread is that? Luckily, all our FSM ones are eminently sensible... like "What's your favorite letter in the word Jerry" - that sort of thing.

Still, I did get around to listening to Myaskovsky's sixth, and I have to report a modicum of apathy. It has an early 20th century sensibility that some around here will find appealing. Not my cup of tea, however. And that's okay, because as a wise man says above, we like what we like. Maybe if I persisted with it, or tried others of his works, I'd find something to really like, but I haven't the time or patience.

Having recently heard a variety of interpretations of Shostakovich's symphonies - notably Gergiev and Rozhdestvensky - I'm as convinced as ever that he was the greatest symphonist of the 20th century, and in fact one of the most important public figures (not just as a composer, but as a symbol) of the same era.

TG

By the way, it's R. No, hang on, I can't just pick one. My top five are R, J, Y, E and, ummm....

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2015 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Mya-who?

 
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