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As a huge animation fan, I'm very happy they are still done with big bold thematic scores. And it many of my favorite scores by some composers -- and in other cases the ONLY ones I like (Jackman and Jablonski for instance) -- are for animation.
You are right, there are a lot of good animation scores recently.
Many by Zimmer and his gang. Maybe a different thread, but why has animation stuck to a more traditional scoring sound?
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I'd been hoping to start a new discussion on Zimmer's first Sherlock Holmes score but thought better of it because of the eventual sh!tstorm that would follow. If such a thread ever gets started, I would hope that Thor, Ado, Francis, and the rest who have contributed such enlightening, erudite posts in this thread would also do so there.
I would be happy to join in there if you dare post it Jim. I know I am almost alone on this but I liked that film, more than the second one. And I thought that whole gypsy string thing, and what else was in there, (harpsichord?) was something really different for Hans.
I liked both films a lot. (First more than second.) I don’t listen to it much because then I can’t get it out of my head. Some of it is a little too frantic for me, but it’s definitely music. I don’t mind when Zimmer says “I know! I’ll construct an entire score on sea shells and toothbrushes!” as long as he writes music to go with it rather than just relying on THE EFFECT. He’s been known to do both.
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I'd been hoping to start a new discussion on Zimmer's first Sherlock Holmes score but thought better of it because of the eventual sh!tstorm that would follow. If such a thread ever gets started, I would hope that Thor, Ado, Francis, and the rest who have contributed such enlightening, erudite posts in this thread would also do so there.
I would be happy to join in there if you dare post it Jim. I know I am almost alone on this but I liked that film, more than the second one. And I thought that whole gypsy string thing, and what else was in there, (harpsichord?) was something really different for Hans.
I liked both films a lot. (First more than second.) I don’t listen to it much because then I can’t get it out of my head. Some of it is a little too frantic for me, but it’s definitely music. I don’t mind when Zimmer says “I know! I’ll construct an entire score on sea shells and toothbrushes!” as long as he writes music to go with it rather than just relying on THE EFFECT. He’s been known to do both.
yes, that is another interesting point, amusing too, I think he gets entranced by an idea and we get a bit a hammered with it. It is probably a bit thematically weak and/or repetitive, but I appreciate some real instrumentation being used on Sherlock Holmes 1. It helps to age the score to back then, whereas the modern approach would have seemed more incongruous, so he was at least trying to be somewhat more organic than like he was scoring Days of Thunder for example.
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I'd been hoping to start a new discussion on Zimmer's first Sherlock Holmes score but thought better of it because of the eventual sh!tstorm that would follow.
And there's your basic misunderstanding. Any criticism is, in and of itself, automatically considered a "shitstorm". And that's sad. Because of today's (non-)educational culture of "I'm ok, you're ok", ANYthing is considered OK. Thus, there's no real disagreement. Because disagreement needs differentiation, energy, ultimately, intelligence. But REAL discussion is dangerous. "I Like it" - that's it. That's the depth that most discussions on any board (not just this one) gravitate towards. I could use quotation marks for both 'depth' and 'gravitate', and, these days, I probably would have to - because irony and sarcasm have died when real discussion died. It's either you love it, or you're negative. Nothing in between. I can understand: I had a number of visiting professors from the US in my day, who all emphasised the "There's no wrong answer" style. They all sucked.
I'm not mincing words: Hans Zimmer is a hack. He'l always be a hack. Still, with the people who supported him, he co-created some nice scores before 2000. "The Lion King" I consider the "best" (as in: most important) score of 1994. And I stand by that. And there's a number of pre-2000 scores of his I rather like. They're not great, but they're not bad either. No matter which outside influence caused them to be not bad. But after that ...
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I'm not mincing words: Hans Zimmer is a hack. He'l always be a hack.
Well, that's your opinion.
Besides, that kind of labelling is exactly the OPPOSITE of what makes a fruitful debate. When two people have opposing viewpoints on a matter, it's better to approach the debate with at least mutual respect for each other's side, as exemplified with the discussion I had with ado and others above. Surely, you could get your points across with more constructive words, preferably specific issues? If we were sitting in a pub over a beer and you knew I loved Zimmer's music, would you really throw such words out there? Or would you strive to get your negative opinions across in a more constructive fashion that didn't totally sour the mood? Just sayin'.
Well said Thor.There seem to be people here who cannot understand that everyone is entitled to an opinion and that any defence of Zimmer means that fans of the man think hes beyond criticism.As iv mentioned already, its ok to criticise him but not to disparage the man or his fans.
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Oct 16, 2013 - 1:53 PM
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I'm not mincing words: Hans Zimmer is a hack. He'l always be a hack.
Well, that's your opinion.
Besides, that kind of labelling is exactly the OPPOSITE of what makes a fruitful debate. When two people have opposing viewpoints on a matter, it's better to approach the debate with at least mutual respect for each other's side, as exemplified with the discussion I had with ado and others above. Surely, you could get your points across with more constructive words, preferably specific issues? If we were sitting in a pub over a beer and you knew I loved Zimmer's music, would you really throw such words out there? Or would you strive to get your negative opinions across in a more constructive fashion that didn't totally sour the mood? Just sayin'.
You wouldn't use such words in real life MERELY BECAUSE real life friends have other social bonds than their shared enthusiasm of "film music." If the ONLY bond between you and him is film music and you happen to LOVE the music he HATES, you guys wouldn't be sitting in a pub pretending you're friends.
'Sides, this is a public forum, not a private saloon for discussion between close friends. Labels and strong words are necessary in a public forum, for (a) they grab attention so that the topic does not get buried; (b) they elicit heated discussion of passion which is exactly what a public forum is for.
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