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 Posted:   Oct 29, 2013 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I just finished watching a 3 episode story arc from STAR TREK ENTERPRISE season 4>
It dealt with the Eugenics war (the underlying plot for "Space Seed") AND genetically enhanced humans in conflict with the 21st Century crew of USS Enterprise.
It starred Brent Spiner and ingeniuosly linked his character to Data from STTNG.
There was plenty of action, too!
SKip INTO DARKNESS and check out this well written variation on WRATH OF KHAN et al.
bruce

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2013 - 12:13 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Spiner is always good, this was a good opportunity for him to be less than a good guy.
It was a good arc for a sometimes boring show too.

ID is fine though, not ST really, but fine.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2013 - 1:34 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I remember those episodes. They were pretty good.

But I remember thinking at the time that when a ST show got in trouble, then sticking in a TNG character/actor seemed to be their solution.

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2013 - 1:44 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

Enterprise was a much better show than a lot of people gave it credit for. But no matter how good it was, I think there was such enormous burn out on the franchise that they could've made every season better than Deadwood or Breaking Bad and it wouldn't have raised the ratings any.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2013 - 1:48 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I remember those episodes. They were pretty good.

But I remember thinking at the time that when a ST show got in trouble, then sticking in a TNG character/actor seemed to be their solution.


So true, although I think they did that even more on Voyager.

The final episode of Enterprise was just dreadful, it has to be one of the worst pieces of Trek writing ever. Riker and Troi could not save it.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2013 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Enterprise was a much better show than a lot of people gave it credit for. But no matter how good it was, I think there was such enormous burn out on the franchise that they could've made every season better than Deadwood or Breaking Bad and it wouldn't have raised the ratings any.

Paramount really pushed the property hard since the last season of TNG it was pushing out one series after another, three series, and the TNG film series. Generations was the apex of Trek popularity, it was a good time to love Trek. It was wall to wall, and popular, but they did go to that well too often in too short a period of time.

TV is where Trek belongs though.
(Nice as the films might be or not, depending on your feelings)

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2013 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


TV is where Trek belongs though.
(Nice as the films might be or not, depending on your feelings)


Yes, I had my falling out with Star Trek halfway through Voyager, whereas before I'd always watch TNG and DS9 and looked forward to new episodes. When Enterprise came out, the idea of it taking place before the original series (which I don't care for) I found such a disappointment. It wasn't until last year or so before I finally saw it on the recommendation of my brother who praised it. I have to admit it was a good series with lots of standout episodes, but I still see it sort of as an outsider to the franchise.

I do hope star trek returns to tv as the movies are not star trek to methey are entertaining but just not in the same way a good trek episode is. I miss the excitement of looking forward to a new Star Trek adventure that deals with ideas and not just action/adventure. And I'm currently catching up with TNG in HD and it holds up so well.

 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2013 - 2:33 PM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I'm one of the very few that didn't connect with the last season of Enterprise. While I loved WOK, I didn't need to see the television series emulate the film in style and substance. It felt like a "fan base" production.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2013 - 2:54 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I have to admit that none of "Enterprise" really clicked with me at all, apart from a few isolated episodes (like the Soong arc mentioned above).

It's probably got more to do with me not finding any of the cast particularly charismatic, than any perceived fault of the stories. Charisma goes a long way.

I have a feeling, though, that given enough time, I will set myself down and watch it all from the beginning and gain an appreciation of it simply because there ain't no other Trek in town.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 29, 2013 - 4:06 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Francis, we agree.

Octoberman, likewise.

Although I thought Scott Bakula is pretty good as a captain, a likable actor.

TNG HD, or BluRay holds up extremely well. I started again with the new releases on BD recently.
I even forced myself to watch that horrid Code of Honor.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 1:46 AM   
 By:   Ron Hardcastle   (Member)

ado:

Re: "Paramount really pushed the property hard since the last season of TNG it was pushing out one series after another, three series, and the TNG film series. Generations was the apex of Trek popularity, it was a good time to love Trek. It was wall to wall, and popular, but they did go to that well too often in too short a period of time."

Except for the animated series, I watched most of them, including repeated viewings of the original, then TNG, then Deep Space Nine, then Voyager, then Enterprise. But I lapsed during Deep Space Nine and never watched too many of them. But TNG was excellent, and I happened to like Voyager. But was starting to burn out about the time of Generations, so have little memory of it.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 3:47 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

ado:

Re: "Paramount really pushed the property hard since the last season of TNG it was pushing out one series after another, three series, and the TNG film series. Generations was the apex of Trek popularity, it was a good time to love Trek. It was wall to wall, and popular, but they did go to that well too often in too short a period of time."

Except for the animated series, I watched most of them, including repeated viewings of the original, then TNG, then Deep Space Nine, then Voyager, then Enterprise. But I lapsed during Deep Space Nine and never watched too many of them. But TNG was excellent, and I happened to like Voyager. But was starting to burn out about the time of Generations, so have little memory of it.


Ron
I digested little of Deep Space in the first run, nor Enterprise. At first pass I did like much of Voyager, despite her duck like voice, there is much to be said for a female captain, and for Kate Mulgrew, and the production quality was very high on Voyager.

Generations, was a script mess, even Braga and Moore admit that on the commentary track, but it is a lovable sweet mess. The David Carson directors' audio track makes you like it more than you would otherwise. Again, the production quality on Generations was very high, and the score is very good too.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   Mr. Marshall   (Member)

I have to admit that none of "Enterprise" ...

It's probably got more to do with me not finding any of the cast particularly charismatic, than any perceived fault of the stories. Charisma goes a long way.

I


That's my problem w/TNG!!!
bruce

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I have to admit that none of "Enterprise" ...

It's probably got more to do with me not finding any of the cast particularly charismatic, than any perceived fault of the stories. Charisma goes a long way.

I


That's my problem w/TNG!!!
bruce


Oh, Patrick Stewart and Levar Burton and Brent Spiner and Jonathan Frakes have lots of charisma, within the limits defined by the roles they played. Even Gates McFadden had lots of charm, for the little time she had on screen.

Michael Dorn, well Klingons are pretty much innately not charismatic unless you like yelling, spitting and fighting. He managed to eek out some more human moments here and there when the story permitted.

The TNG cast as a whole out charisma's the other later series. The best cast chemistry otherwise might be Deep Space, there are part of Voyager that work, and other characters that just did not, like Ensign Harry.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   GOLDSMITHDAKING   (Member)

I liked most of the Star Trek series except for Deep Space Nine ( It wasnt even Star Trek with it being stuck on a boring space station ).

Regarding the trilogy og episodes mentioned in the OP.Yeah they were pretty good but Into Darkness was awesome!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 1:39 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Yeah kinda with Goldsmithdaking I really only liked Deep Space when they got off the station.
And that stuff with the changelings and the prophets, man that really got old.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   Francis   (Member)


Michael Dorn, well Klingons are pretty much innately not charismatic unless you like yelling, spitting and fighting. He managed to eek out some more human moments here and there when the story permitted.


I love the way his character evolved on TNG and some of the strongest episodes revolve around him (Sins of the Father, Redemption & Parallels come to mind). He's often the comic relief and for a fighter rarely wins a battle, but I love his warrior code smile It was nice to see him go to Deep Space Nine after O'Brien did.

Loved this moment in Sins of the Father with the excellent Tony Todd big grin

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 3:22 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

Michael Dorn, well Klingons are pretty much innately not charismatic unless you like yelling, spitting and fighting. He managed to eek out some more human moments here and there when the story permitted.



I think the Klingons came into their own during the later seasons. Characters such as Gowron and Martok were always fun to watch. Worf and Martok made a good team.

 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   johnjohnson   (Member)

The best cast chemistry otherwise might be Deep Space, there are part of Voyager that work, and other characters that just did not, like Ensign Harry.

I wasn't all that taken with the Harry Kim character, but at least he had more to do than Ensign Mayweather. I found him to be instantly forgettable.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 30, 2013 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

The best cast chemistry otherwise might be Deep Space, there are part of Voyager that work, and other characters that just did not, like Ensign Harry.

I wasn't all that taken with the Harry Kim character, but at least he had more to do than Ensign Mayweather. I found him to be instantly forgettable.


Was that the navigator guy, yes, he was forgettable.

I agree that later the Klingons had good episodes, and when Worf come into his own apart from being by the Klingon code he was more interesting, I liked the Wild West episode with his son, totally silly, but more human and sweet.

 
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